The baby is in the rice pudding.

[RED-DOG]

Deepstack day 1. Blinds 100/200.

UTG limps.

I bet 700 from 15k with 

Sb calls, bb calls, limper calls.

Flop 

Sb moves all in for 4.5k.

Bb flats from ~ 17k.

Limper folds.

Me.... ?

[dreenie]

Hi, pretty sick spot, ld make it at least 950/1025 to play after the 1st limper.

This hand is pretty tough, Imo, I'm not giving the sb much credit for a hand, if he's got like 77/66 or fd/sd, then he's shoving for his last 4.5k - the 2nd guy is a little more tricky imo.

He could easily be flatting the SB's all in with 99/1010/JJ, we should rule out QQ/KK here, as I think he nearly all of the time 3bets you pre with these 2 holdings, If he reshoves with 99/1010/JJ, he is effectivly trying to bluff u out of the pot, with the best hand, as what would u call with that he is beating if he has one of these hands? - so Flatting he could easily have these hands - also, he could easily have a set, as it would pave the way for you to reshove with an overpair, and him to hopefully scoop a big pot.

I think he never has a FD in this hand, as he would prob reshove to try and get a big pot together with outs if he's behind to u both, or try and get u to fold a big pair, and gambling vs a short stack.

In all honesty, I don't think it's a bad re shove all in, if that's what u decide, I think u can only reshove all in or fold tho, and I really don't mind the fold either, as A, u get to see anyway, and B, the nature/structure of this comp, u will always have another oppourtunity to get chips, saying that for me, I would probably reshove and hope for the best...

What happened?

[the rage]

I like your pre-flop bet. As a general rule, i find that if you dont get heads up with aces and then you get heavy action you are usually behind. I think that the small blind is prob shoving a flush draw such as .
 I would expect the small blind to check-raise a set and i can't see what else he can be jamming with here, other than the flush draw. If this assumption is correct, this possibility, and the fact that you have the ace of clubs, leads me to believe that the big blind may well be flat calling with a set.
 I suppose the big blind could have some sort of flush / straight combo draw, but i would expect him to fold most drawing hands to the small blind's shove.
 I may well be over-estimating the strentgh of your opponents hands, but, your hand is highly unlikely to improve, so, i feel that a FOLD is the best course of action here.

[Boba Fett]

I like your pre-flop bet. As a general rule, i find that if you dont get heads up with aces and then you get heavy action you are usually behind. I think that the small blind is prob shoving a flush draw such as .
 I would expect the small blind to check-raise a set and i can't see what else he can be jamming with here, other than the flush draw. If this assumption is correct, this possibility, and the fact that you have the ace of clubs, leads me to believe that the big blind may well be flat calling with a set.
 I suppose the big blind could have some sort of flush / straight combo draw, but i would expect him to fold most drawing hands to the small blind's shove.
 I may well be over-estimating the strentgh of your opponents hands, but, your hand is highly unlikely to improve, so, i feel that a FOLD is the best course of action here.

Think the BB has to be wider than a set here.  Surely he wouldnt fold 99-JJ and maybe not 8x too

[the rage]

I like your pre-flop bet. As a general rule, i find that if you dont get heads up with aces and then you get heavy action you are usually behind. I think that the small blind is prob shoving a flush draw such as .
 I would expect the small blind to check-raise a set and i can't see what else he can be jamming with here, other than the flush draw. If this assumption is correct, this possibility, and the fact that you have the ace of clubs, leads me to believe that the big blind may well be flat calling with a set.
 I suppose the big blind could have some sort of flush / straight combo draw, but i would expect him to fold most drawing hands to the small blind's shove.
 I may well be over-estimating the strentgh of your opponents hands, but, your hand is highly unlikely to improve, so, i feel that a FOLD is the best course of action here.

Think the BB has to be wider than a set here.  Surely he wouldnt fold 99-JJ and maybe not 8x too

fair point Bobba.  It is a pretty big shove from the small blind though, i wouldn't expect the big blind to call with top pair here. I dont think that calling with the overpair is such an easy call either, if he suspects that he's up against a flush draw with overcards, and two other players still to act. It's certainly an interesting spot though. Cheers for posting it Red-dog.

[cambridgealex]

I'd shove

[millidonk]

I'd shove

same

[DMorgan]

Shove for me too

[AndrewT]

Reads on SB/BB?

I know in the update it said who BB was, which would certainly influence my decision in a certain direction.

[kinboshi]

Reads on SB/BB?

I know in the update it said who BB was, which would certainly influence my decision in a certain direction.

I think it's player dependent, and could change the decision from a shove to a fold, or vice versa.

[RED-DOG]

Busy, moderately aggressive but reasonably solid.

[the rage]

I do agree that is very much read and player dependent, and also, to some extent dependent on Red-Dog's image. If the big blind  appears to flat call reasonably quickly, without too much genuine soul searching, i would say that a set is far more likely. There is an UTG limp caller who is probably set mining, plus Red-Dog, who is probably playing fairly tight at this point in the tournament, still to act.
Also, if Red-Dog jams here, surely he is never getting called by any hand that he's ahead of, so, he's risking his entire tournament with one pair, which is unlikely to improve, and he still has to beat the small blind who probably has a big draw (31% equity).
 Based on information available, i will stick with the Fold as the best choice. Not an easy game though. The more i play it, the harder it seems to get.

[cambridgealex]

i dont know what Red-dogs impression were of the SB, but given what he had, I'd say that RedDog abs crushes his range. It's definitely a jam, not even close.

[George2Loose]

I do agree that is very much read and player dependent, and also, to some extent dependent on Red-Dog's image. If the big blind  appears to flat call reasonably quickly, without too much genuine soul searching, i would say that a set is far more likely. There is an UTG limp caller who is probably set mining, plus Red-Dog, who is probably playing fairly tight at this point in the tournament, still to act.
Also, if Red-Dog jams here, surely he is never getting called by any hand that he's ahead of, so, he's risking his entire tournament with one pair, which is unlikely to improve, and he still has to beat the small blind who probably has a big draw (31% equity).
 Based on information available, i will stick with the Fold as the best choice. Not an easy game though. The more i play it, the harder it seems to get.

Shock as the rage suggests folding!

[RED-DOG]

i dont know what Red-dogs impression were of the SB, but given what he had, I'd say that RedDog abs crushes his range. It's definitely a jam, not even close.

Alex, you were on the rail mate, so it's easier for you.