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[George2Loose]

Define hacked phone? None of it was really hacking, just accessing the voicemail using the default pin.

Well it's a phone, that has been hacked

[Manuel]

Wow,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/28/phone-hacking-sarah-payne

The evidence that police have found in Mulcaire's notes is believed to relate to a phone given to Sara Payne by Rebekah Brooks as a gift to help her stay in touch with her supporters.

wow this is lower than low.

Other than the fact they gave her the phone, which is not really the relevant matter surely, what's the difference between this and the Milly Dowler case, genuinely asking as I don't see how it is ?

Given that no senior executives were charged over hacking for so long, and yet it is so unlikely that they weren't involved, the previous setups eg Milly Dowler have always had a degree of space separating the dirty deed from the people at the top. In this case, however, the Lying King herself has handed over what is possibly the instrument of privacy invasion. Possible that she knew nothing of how instrumental this action was, but it certainly won't be perceived that way.

[Bongo]

Define hacked phone? None of it was really hacking, just accessing the voicemail using the default pin.

Well it's a phone, that has been hacked

It's a phone, it wasn't hacked, none of the others were, they accessed the voice mails illegally by using the default pin. Unless the accusation is the pin on the voice mail was specifically changed to allow them access before it was given (and I haven't heard that mentioned) then the only way the giving of the phone helped is that it created the voice mail for them to access.

It's not like they planted a listening device in the phone is it? (unless they did of course, I guess you can't rule it out).

[mondatoo]

I can't see how morally the giving of the phone as a gift is anyone near as bad as the hacking of the voicemails and deleting them to give false hope as they did with Milly Dowler.

[Bongo]

The BBC have a couple of interesting tidbits:

"The BBC has not been able to confirm whether the evidence does relate to this particular mobile." (the one given by Brooks).

"A source close to Mrs Brooks says she believes the voicemail system on the phone provided by the NoW was not activated until 18 months ago."

[kinboshi]

The BBC have a couple of interesting tidbits:

"The BBC has not been able to confirm whether the evidence does relate to this particular mobile." (the one given by Brooks).

"A source close to Mrs Brooks says she believes the voicemail system on the phone provided by the NoW was not activated until 18 months ago."

We all believe sources close to the upstanding and honourable Mrs Brooks.

[boldie]

I can't see how morally the giving of the phone as a gift is anyone near as bad as the hacking of the voicemails and deleting them to give false hope as they did with Milly Dowler.

Well, championing "Sarah's law" for ages and having her mother write an opinion piece in the last edition of their paper really does to show just how cynical this lot are IMO.

[Bongo]

The BBC have a couple of interesting tidbits:

"The BBC has not been able to confirm whether the evidence does relate to this particular mobile." (the one given by Brooks).

"A source close to Mrs Brooks says she believes the voicemail system on the phone provided by the NoW was not activated until 18 months ago."

We all believe sources close to the upstanding and honourable Mrs Brooks.

It's the BBC though, it's not like they're a big fan of hers and they went out of their way to make 2 very big caveats...

[kinboshi]

The BBC have a couple of interesting tidbits:

"The BBC has not been able to confirm whether the evidence does relate to this particular mobile." (the one given by Brooks).

"A source close to Mrs Brooks says she believes the voicemail system on the phone provided by the NoW was not activated until 18 months ago."

We all believe sources close to the upstanding and honourable Mrs Brooks.

It's the BBC though, it's not like they're a big fan of hers and they went out of their way to make 2 very big caveats...

The BBC often regurgitates tabloid nonsense on their website.

[Bongo]

And this time they added 2 caveats... Do you think it's because they are big fans of RB and NotW?

[kinboshi]

And this time they added 2 caveats... Do you think it's because they are big fans of RB and NotW?

I think it's because Brooks and the NotW are as reliable as a Fiat with over 100,000 miles on the clock.

[Bongo]

And this time they added 2 caveats... Do you think it's because they are big fans of RB and NotW?

I think it's because Brooks and the NotW are as reliable as a Fiat with over 100,000 miles on the clock.

So that's why the BBC added things in defence of them?

[neeko]

And this time they added 2 caveats... Do you think it's because they are big fans of RB and NotW?

I think it's because Brooks and the NotW are as reliable as a Fiat with over 100,000 miles on the clock.

So that's why the BBC added things in defence of them?

The BBC is so fond of being perfectly balanced they could have a discussion on if the world is round and get a bloke from the flat earth society on to argue the opposite and give him equal time.

[Bongo]

Think that's a pretty poor example, surely the purpose of a debate is to give both sides equal time?

There are also entire websites devoted to how "unbalanced" the BBC is...

[boldie]

And this time they added 2 caveats... Do you think it's because they are big fans of RB and NotW?

I think it's because Brooks and the NotW are as reliable as a Fiat with over 100,000 miles on the clock.

So that's why the BBC added things in defence of them?

The caveats are clearly there because the BBC is not the NOTW/Daily Mail/s*/any other tabloid and want to be careful that they don't report something as gospel when no-one knows whether it's actually true or not. The caveats are vital because the Beeb has lawyers that tell them to add it.

I wouldn't say it was a defence of RB and the NOTW but it's good to take notes of the caveats they have added as it essentially means that the headline that the story has in quite a few tabloids might well be bollocks, or at least part of it might be.