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« on: July 12, 2011, 08:11:56 PM » |
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This happened in a .50/1 cash game last week. Maybe I'm wrong in saying it's even semi-interesting, but I'm sure there's at least some potential discussion here. The £2 straddle is on. UTG folds. +1 makes it £8. Raiser is considered by a couple of players to have a tight aggressive raising range, but a very wide calling range. I've seen him raise with all sorts of suited connectors, Ax hands, etc, but doesn't seem capable of having gears, so this leads me to believe he is a "feeling" player. Playing around £125. +2 is playing around £50 and is a massive fish. Definitely doesn't mind getting it all-in. The next three players all call. We're in the big blind with   playing £150~. We don't cover anyone else. How should we proceed? |
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 08:20:33 PM » |
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calllllllllllllllllllll
we're strong vs the UTG1's range but unlikely to be in great shape vs his 4bets and our hand should play pretty well multi way cos of all the QT's, A6's people peel with
I reckon seeing as your >100bigs you could 3bet get it in but my experience is that people don't actually adjust their stack sizes with a straddle when the eff. stacks are halved, if you have £200 in there mind it's still £200 not 100bigs as opposed to 200bigs....
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cambridgealex
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 08:24:13 PM » |
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Raise to £52.
This is a clear spot for a value raise, where you'll get called by worse from the OR as you described, the massive fish might get it in probably crushed. The only guy who can have us crushed is the OR and he's playing 125 and you said he raises all sorts of hands so QQ+ and AK is a tiny % of his range so really unlikely to get shoved on. If so, meh it sucks we call and have to get there.
It's pretty easy to play post flop from there too. Obv Q and A high boards play themselves as well as FD flops, Can profitably jam TJx, boards etc. Will be giving up on the 678 or K98.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 08:29:05 PM » |
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Mbn to be in a 50/1 game where everyone has >150. Top up ffs and make it rain on dem hoes
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 08:30:39 PM » |
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 08:35:16 PM » |
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2011, 12:45:00 AM » |
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Raise it up, bet sizing I dont know about, (massive fish - ), Alex is rarely wrong but would like to know the reasoning behind £52? I assume to try and get the fish to get it in?
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2011, 12:57:27 AM » |
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I'd be making it £29 quid here just to re open the betting if £50 man decides to ship.
Also let's us get away pretty cheap if OR decides to 4 bet.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2011, 03:51:18 AM » |
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Don't worry lildave I got your back
call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>raise here imo
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2011, 11:59:45 AM » |
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Hi five Morgan
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2011, 03:36:49 PM » |
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Raise it up, bet sizing I dont know about, (massive fish - ), Alex is rarely wrong but would like to know the reasoning behind £52? I assume to try and get the fish to get it in?
52 cos its pretty much a pot sized raise which is generally a good guideline. If it were pot limit, and you announced "pot", you would bet 3x8 = 24 plus the rest of the money in the middle which 8+8+8+0.50+1 = 24+25.50 = 49.50. Ok I was a few quid off, anywhere from 45-55 is fine raise sizing imo. Could the sick ones please elaborate why calling>folding iyo. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2011, 05:48:11 PM » |
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its a defo call for me. AQ oop in a fishy game were no one is folding then the call has to be the correct line.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2011, 05:49:09 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2011, 05:52:20 PM » |
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its a defo call for me. AQ oop in a fishy game were no one is folding then the call has to be the correct line.
we don't want em to fold. even in the fishiest of 50/1 games I've never squeezed to 50 pre and got 8callers. you'll get one, two or perhaps three callers and from then on its fairly easy to play cos you either jam or give up depending on flop. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 06:20:23 PM » |
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i dont like the build the pot and jam or fold line at all. far too swongy and high varience for me.
hope he did raise and we can see but would not expect more than 2 players to drop out.
fishy £8 callers generally have small pair or sooted semi connectors or raggy A
i cant think of many flops that if we jam we are gonna get calls from people we crush or are in excellent shape against (obv exception being xdd were we ov/un flush)
much rather play smaller pot with AQ oop either saving £42 or milk the fuck out of the cows when we can play some poker with em.
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