Max value...

[George2Loose]

But if Ur never folding why ask? Confused

[david3103]

But if Ur never folding why ask? Confused

Never folding this pre in this game in this situation.

I made it £60, he made it £110...

edited the post about not folding - i thought the context was enough to make it clear what I meant.

There may be a useful spinoff benefit from having posted it in that it has identified a possible leak, but...

The post wasn't about my preflop call, it was about how to get the most from the rather kind flop. Giot any views on that?

[cambridgealex]

Surely once you've craised and he's made it 110 he's made it fairly easy for you to win the max? All my chips please.

[smashedagain]

hang on a minute i need to go back and look at this again

[EvilPie]

I feel we may have an example of reverse implied odds on the cards here.

[cambridgealex]

Are you pointing out Matt that K5 is a hand easily dominated, for example by A5, hence when it comes 55x we get stacked?

David, steer cleer of raggy fives for this reason.

[smashedagain]

he is making up the blinds with 5 limpers holding .... i cant believe any of you say fold. you never ever fold so dont talk like *****. give an honest answer or dont bother. if you cant be honest with yourselves then dont try give this guy advice coz he dont need to be bullshitted. are you ts scared that people might laugh at you coz you did not take the correct line. fml if he is up against 33 or a5 or flush draw which is possible with limpers then so be it . but please be honest and dont say fold pre getting 10/1 your money ffs

just read alex post while writing. alex how many of your hands start with questionable calls with starting hands that get bummed.

[cambridgealex]

Lol jason reread the OP. No-ones saying fold for 50p, we're saying fold for the 6or 7more once the bb raises.

[smashedagain]

Lol jason reread the OP. No-ones saying fold for 50p, we're saying fold for the 6or 7more once the bb raises.

lol ok thats why i dont generally comment on pha......just shows how lucky and run good i have in poker tournies. no wonder titbean says hendonmob means feck all. went back n read it again as well. right oh carry on flaming poor old david again. go steady he is 57 tho

[George2Loose]

In Ur op u ask about Ur pre flop play which is probs why Ur getting feedback on it?

[strak33]

George2loose running this show.

[EvilPie]

Are you pointing out Matt that K5 is a hand easily dominated, for example by A5, hence when it comes 55x we get stacked?

David, steer cleer of raggy fives for this reason.

That's the fella. I can't justify calling with 5 rag.

Alternatively it comes KKx and we have the same problem.

Also as we're out of postion even if we hit it big and are ahead we still struggle to extract any decent value.

I still call though because they're both green.

[david3103]

In Ur op u ask about Ur pre flop play which is probs why Ur getting feedback on it?

I did indeed say "OK so far?" - but couldn't imagine anyone being so pedantic as to answer that question asked as an aside, and ignore the bigger question about the postflop play.

I asked the question about postflop because I shoved over his reraise on the flop and he folded. I wanted to see if anyone was in favour of flatting either the initial bet on the flop, or having raised, if anyone would make an argument for flatting the reraise.


PHA isn't  straightforward otherwise you wouldn't be asking if you should shove  UTG

[smashedagain]

hmmm. i think we still call again in a 50/1 cash game where we are backing our ability to play post flop against these fish. but you are correct we need villan
to either have the ability to donk off his stack or not be able to give up a hand we have beat. does he have the ability to squeeze small pairs (possibly as he aint one of the stations) but 100% he aint gonna play this way having flopped the world.

 your point about A5 stacking you is pretty weak because we  stack 45  65 75 which are limpy call hands from fish. point taken about kkx flop is valid as we aint usualy up against a worse kicker than 5 but almost certainly k9+  in this senario. as played we cant fail to get a double up if he has any type of hand especially an over pair, i flat his £110 to give him chance to think we are on a draw or a little weak. 100% for sure you let him get off the hand here if you raise him again if he is light but you give yourself a chance of getting it all on the river.

[smashedagain]

oh you posted before i answered. come and ask me david in future and i will give you the correct answer for free. only person calling your re raise has you beat.