6hi lo river spot

[cambridgealex]

£2/£2 DC at DTD. Playing £140 in a 5handed fishy, limp/cally sort of game.

I don't know much about 6hi lo so tend to nutpedal fairly hard when it's picked, and not really sure how to play down the streets with marginals.

Anyway, a chap named Habib opens to £6 and I call next to act with 

A Persian chap named James calls on the button, the blinds fold.

Flop (£18) 

So I flop the nut low. Habib checks, I bet £12, James and Habib both call.

Turn (£54) 

So now I have trips and the nut low. Habib checked, I should've probably bet here, but I checked and James checked behind.

River (£54) 

I have threes full (the third nut house) and now a 7432A low which is the fourth nut low. Habib checks. I bet £25, James calls. Habib now raises £75 to £100. We have £87 behind. Habib and James both have 2 or 3 hundred at least behind. Fold or call?

We have a nitty image, we haven't been played many hands and shown the goods when we have. Habib is a pretty decent player and knows whats going on. James is a massive fish but knows the games alright. I had a feeling Habib mightve been trying to push me off my hand so he could scoop vs James, or get James to fold as well and win. But I was of course worried that Habib had AA45 or AA65 or something and scoop me. But he did check the flop, and with AA45 surely he'd bet the flop?

Don't know whether anyone on here even plays this game but you'll know better than me! If anything just something different to think about...

[DMorgan]

I fold river

You definitely want to be betting the turn too, you have the nut low and most likely the best high hand. A set of eights would have bet the flop, deuces full will just call the turn and more threes full hands will too but you have good equity with three overcards to make a better threes full

[redarmi]

I have never played 6 hilo but I do play a bit of 4 hilo and am studying it fairly hard at the moment and that is pretty much a game of the nuts so I would imagine 6 hilo is even more so so when someone showed a good deal of strength on the rover I would be looking to fold.  I would also pretty much always bet my nut low hands simply because it is very easy to end up quartering lows or getting counterfeited.  Out of interest which games regularly get played in the dc at dtd?

[JK]

Alot of my thought process youve explained in your OP (thanks for the credit xxx).

Basically cant see us ever getting scooped by Habiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiib, as he always bets flop with AA45/AA46. However, James' hand looks like a bare low, defo credibly has the 45xx. Not worried about him for the high, but definately waving goodbye to half of my pot most of the time.

As Dan said, we should bet the turn. We get sooooo much equity from worse lows that cant call the river, and if anyone does make a house on the turn, we have AKQJ (with, I assume, KQJ as full scoop outs).

The other reason I bet the turn is because in a 3 way pot, someones scooped. James and Habibs hands looks very weak, so Id be trying to get them to put money in on the turn so in the event of a chop, we have more profit (struggling to put this in proper terms).

The other reason for the above is because on this river, we're calling £75 to profit around £30 (if James folds behind). Had we bet the turn, we've increased this number to like 40-50, which makes it alot closer. ATM, we're pretty much burning money, as we never get a full scoop really in this spot.

Pretty much folding on the river. We're almost never scooping, and not winning half enough to make it profitable with such a small overlay from whoever we end up scooping.

Would like some of the sickos to tell me if Im wrong here please. Feel pretty confident about writing this post but Im never sure XD.

[EvilPie]

Flop: Pot
Turn: Pot
River: Rest

[zerofive]

Anyway, a chap named Habib opens to £6 and I call next to act with 

A Persian chap named James calls on the button, the blinds fold.

Flop (£18) 

Not trying to pick nits here, but one way or another, this info has to be wrong. At Dusk the small blind is posted on the button, so if James calls the button, only one blind can fold. And if one blind has folded then the pot is £20.

Habib's c-bet ratio in hi-lo is probably way too high, so he's betting with a lot of combos; and he likes to checkraise with big hands in 6card games. Not sure if either of these are great or terrible, but they're defo exploitable. imo you're never getting scooped.

Obviously we should bet this turn card. From my experience, in the DC game at Dusk you can confidently pot the turn and get two callers. This allows us to shove the river with probably the same result.

Habib will most likely be checkraising river with one nut hand, and this is almost always 45. James' investment after Habib raises doesn't seem great enough to make a call worthwhile on the odd occasions he does find a scoop hand. Plus the rake is going to eat 20% of your profit. James might call behind and this will give us either half or one quarter of a decent pot. For these reasons, given your risk/reward as played we can do that thing where we screw up our face a little bit and then fold.

If we're deeper in this spot, I wouldnt mind repotting to ISO vs Habib, but again, being that we didnt bet the turn, we dont really have enough in the pot from James to prise him away from and chop.

I don't think I'm qualified as a sicko, but this seems like a terrible idea. The only way we're going to make any profit on the river is to let James call behind with worse. So if we raise here, we should be doing it to try and get Habib to fold, which is not going to happen. As played, regardless of how deep we are, we should fold.

[JK]

I actually edited my post when I realised it was a terrible idea lol

[EvilPie]

Habib has 45. Pretty sure if he has AA he flats pre hoping to pot it if someone raises. 88 he check raises flop.

James has God knows what but it isn't AA or 88 because he bets big on the flop with 88 and raises AA pre. Possibly 23/83 with some kind of weak low.

I can't see us ever getting quartered or scooped here.

Pre and flop action just makes me think that our high is good. Turn action makes me think we don't get quartered because they both bet when they hit triple threes.

As played I just call the river.

This is all very much player dependant btw.

[Longines]

Should have potted turn, after the river kills your low I'd be checking. Have to fold to the raise now, you'd be very lucky to end up with a quarter.

[zerofive]

This is all very much player dependant btw.

This, obv.

Going to say preflop there is £20 + 12*3 = 56 + 25*3 = £131 - 7 rake = 123

As we're not sure James is going to call, then we're calling £75 to win £61.50. It seems very probable that we're getting half, but if we're getting quartered 20% of the time, (ie Habib randomly shows up on the river with A345) then we're making the right decision by folding.

[JK]

This is all very much player dependant btw.

This, obv.

Going to say preflop there is £20 + 12*3 = 56 + 25*3 = £131 - 7 rake = 123

As we're not sure James is going to call, then we're calling £75 to win £61.50. It seems very probable that we're getting half, but if we're getting quartered 20% of the time, (ie Habib randomly shows up on the river with A345) then we're making the right decision by folding.

We're not winning 61.50 though, we're only winning half of the dead players money (wether that's habib or James)

[EvilPie]

This is all very much player dependant btw.

This, obv.

Going to say preflop there is £20 + 12*3 = 56 + 25*3 = £131 - 7 rake = 123

As we're not sure James is going to call, then we're calling £75 to win £61.50. It seems very probable that we're getting half, but if we're getting quartered 20% of the time, (ie Habib randomly shows up on the river with A345) then we're making the right decision by folding.

We're not winning 61.50 though, we're only winning half of the dead players money (wether that's habib or James)

Eh??

Don't you class what's already in the pot as winnings?

Must make it difficult to make many calls.

[JK]

Do you go to the cash desk, change up £100 and class that as winning? (by the fact you got your money back)

[EvilPie]

Do you go to the cash desk, change up £100 and class that as winning? (by the fact you got your money back)

I hope for your sake this is a level.

You do know that once you've put money in to a pot it isn't yours any more don't you?

If we call this river and chop don't you class the £43 we already put in as a return because it was us who put it in there in the first place?

[zerofive]

lol JK. Either this is a level or you're way off today. Either way, it's all locked in quotes.