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[RED-DOG]

What would you say are the odds of a genocide taking place in the UK at any time in the next 500 years? 

What do you think?



   
   





1915-1918:       Armenian Citizens                                  1 million

1933                Ukrainians                                             7 million

1939-1945        Gypsies in Concentration Camps               500,000

1939-1945        Serbians  in Concentration Camps            400,000

1939-1945          The mentally ill and physically
                       disabled in Concentration Camps             250,000

1939-1945         Jewish adults in Concentration Camps      4.5 million

1939-1945         Jewish children in Concentration Camps    1.5 million

1939-1945         Homosexuals in Concentration Camps      15,000

1939-1948          Germans ans Jews in Poland                 1.5 million

1945-1953          Russian Citizens  4 million

1945-2001          Vietnamese and citizens of Laos              1.6 million

1948-1987          North Korean citizens                            1.3 million

1949-1987          Chinese citizens                                    3.5 million

1965-1966          Indonesian citizens                                 100,000

1971                  Pakistani Bengalis                                   1.5 million

1975-1979          Cambodian citizens                                 1.5 million

1987-1988          Iraqi Kurds                                            100,00

1991-1992          Croation citizens                                     20,000

1992-1995          Muslim women raped in Bosnia                20,000

1992-1995          Bosnian children killed                             17,000

1992-1995          Bosnian children injured                          34,500

1992-1995          Bosnian Muslims                                     200,00

1993-1994          Rwandans                                             1 million in 100 days

1983-Present      Sudanese citizens                                   2 million
           
2002-Present      Democratic Republic of Congo                  4 million

2002-Present     Darfur                                                   400,000

2008-Present     Kenya                                                   500 and rising

[DungBeetle]

yes - if you want cheap labour and to pay for layer upon layer of bureaucracy.  Anyway - this isn't the thread to discuss the merits or otherwise of the EU.

[DungBeetle]

Red - how many of those took place in the UK? 

[DungBeetle]

Anyway - just to get back onto the point, I've tried to isolate the post the guy made that has caused so much outrage - is it this one?

"I know that my views sound anti gypsy , which they are , but it is based on my experience of them over the years and i would say i disliked probably 90% of the ones I've met. Saying that I'm sure there are ones who are pleasant and the total opposite to the ones in my area."

If so, although it's clumsily put, hasn't he actually based his judgements on gyspies he has actually met as opposed to blanket discrimination?  Or is there another more sinister post I have missed?

[RED-DOG]

Red - how many of those took place in the UK? 

So it can happen anywhere, except the UK?

Do you think Gypsies, and the prejudice against them is confined to the UK?

Did you see what happened in France last year?

[Bongo]

I wonder what the answer would have been if you'd asked "Do you think Genocide could happen in Germany in the next 50 years?" around the turn of the last century.

[RED-DOG]

Anyway - just to get back onto the point, I've tried to isolate the post the guy made that has caused so much outrage - is it this one?

"I know that my views sound anti gypsy , which they are , but it is based on my experience of them over the years and i would say i disliked probably 90% of the ones I've met. Saying that I'm sure there are ones who are pleasant and the total opposite to the ones in my area."

If so, although it's clumsily put, hasn't he actually based his judgements on gyspies he has actually met as opposed to blanket discrimination?  Or is there another more sinister post I have missed?

It depends what you are referring to as outrage.

Read the entire thread and quote the "outrage" posts if you want a specific answer.

[kinboshi]

Anyway - just to get back onto the point, I've tried to isolate the post the guy made that has caused so much outrage - is it this one?

"I know that my views sound anti gypsy , which they are , but it is based on my experience of them over the years and i would say i disliked probably 90% of the ones I've met. Saying that I'm sure there are ones who are pleasant and the total opposite to the ones in my area."

If so, although it's clumsily put, hasn't he actually based his judgements on gyspies he has actually met as opposed to blanket discrimination?  Or is there another more sinister post I have missed?

Lots of posts have been removed from the thread as they were overtly racist.  Ones like that (that although I'd consider it misguided and misinformed, aren't overtly racist) have been left as part of the 'debate'.

[DungBeetle]

Ah okay - I didn't realise that posts have been removed.

[DungBeetle]

Point taken raised by Red and someone else about whether the prospect of genocide was likely in Germany in 1900.

[DungBeetle]

"Did you see what happened in France last year?"

No what happened?

[RED-DOG]

"Did you see what happened in France last year?"

No what happened?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/france-to-face-roma-gypsy_n_719381.html

[DungBeetle]

If someone is in the country illegally don't you think that country has the right to deport them?

You will need to educate me - the Roma people would be welcome as citizens of where?  Romania?  Or do they have "no fixed abode" as it were from a national perspective?

[DungBeetle]

Actually - aren't Romania in the EU?  If so, on what basis are France kicking them out? 

[RED-DOG]

Actually - aren't Romania in the EU?  If so, on what basis are France kicking them out? 

Precisely.