Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[KarmaDope]

1. Hole card commentary live. The commentators were in a room in the cashier area of the DTD building. As anybody involved in casinos can tell you, that is the HARDEST place to gain access to in the whole building. No way in hell was JP Kelly getting out to tell the rail what so-and-so had. On top of that, he was supervised by 3 people at all times. Doubt he's slipping his phone out to make a quick text.

You only need to plant a mic in the commentary booth a few days before kick off to make the above irrelevant. Let's try and stay one step ahead of grimtown boys.

GL getting into the cashier area of a casino/poker club. Let me know how that goes for you, yeah? No way am I risking that just in case I make the FT of a 3 day event.

[cambridgealex]

Can't OP at least be edited Tighty?

[MANTIS01]

1. Hole card commentary live. The commentators were in a room in the cashier area of the DTD building. As anybody involved in casinos can tell you, that is the HARDEST place to gain access to in the whole building. No way in hell was JP Kelly getting out to tell the rail what so-and-so had. On top of that, he was supervised by 3 people at all times. Doubt he's slipping his phone out to make a quick text.

You only need to plant a mic in the commentary booth a few days before kick off to make the above irrelevant. Let's try and stay one step ahead of grimtown boys.

GL getting into the cashier area of a casino/poker club. Let me know how that goes for you, yeah? No way am I risking that just in case I make the FT of a 3 day event.

I reckon a cashier has got a good chance of getting into the cashier area bud

[KarmaDope]

1. Hole card commentary live. The commentators were in a room in the cashier area of the DTD building. As anybody involved in casinos can tell you, that is the HARDEST place to gain access to in the whole building. No way in hell was JP Kelly getting out to tell the rail what so-and-so had. On top of that, he was supervised by 3 people at all times. Doubt he's slipping his phone out to make a quick text.

You only need to plant a mic in the commentary booth a few days before kick off to make the above irrelevant. Let's try and stay one step ahead of grimtown boys.

GL getting into the cashier area of a casino/poker club. Let me know how that goes for you, yeah? No way am I risking that just in case I make the FT of a 3 day event.

I reckon a cashier has got a good chance of getting into the cashier area bud

I also reckon that if I paid a cashier to slip a mic into an area with a rather large amount of CCTV, the amount of money they would require would not be worth it as I'd probably have to win the tournament every time to cover my bills, so the one time I don't, I'm royally fucked.

[TightEnd]

Can't OP at least be edited Tighty?

Everyone knows its bollocks Alex, been rebutted a lot on this thread. I will remove a few words if you like

[MANTIS01]

1. Hole card commentary live. The commentators were in a room in the cashier area of the DTD building. As anybody involved in casinos can tell you, that is the HARDEST place to gain access to in the whole building. No way in hell was JP Kelly getting out to tell the rail what so-and-so had. On top of that, he was supervised by 3 people at all times. Doubt he's slipping his phone out to make a quick text.

You only need to plant a mic in the commentary booth a few days before kick off to make the above irrelevant. Let's try and stay one step ahead of grimtown boys.

GL getting into the cashier area of a casino/poker club. Let me know how that goes for you, yeah? No way am I risking that just in case I make the FT of a 3 day event.

I reckon a cashier has got a good chance of getting into the cashier area bud

I also reckon that if I paid a cashier to slip a mic into an area with a rather large amount of CCTV, the amount of money they would require would not be worth it as I'd probably have to win the tournament every time to cover my bills, so the one time I don't, I'm royally fucked.

So are you saying there is no risk? Or are you agreeing with me that there is risk. I've seen people go to all sorts of elaborate lengths for a fraction of the money on that table. Considering that money is yours as a player why are you entertaining any risk at all?

[smashedagain]

Can't OP at least be edited Tighty?

Everyone knows its bollocks Alex, been rebutted a lot on this thread. I will remove a few words if you like

Was this done with the permission of the original poster?

[TightEnd]

Can't OP at least be edited Tighty?

Everyone knows its bollocks Alex, been rebutted a lot on this thread. I will remove a few words if you like

Was this done with the permission of the original poster?

No. Thanks for mentioning it though 

trying to keep a good thread on track here!

[cambridgealex]

Just the C word is a bit ott imo

[sovietsong]

Tighty what do you think about hole cards being shown live?  For or against?

Can't see any reason to show them to be honest, dubai made a good point IMO about the players being there to play and aren't getting paid to give away a huge amount of info for free.  

edit - terrible English

[TightEnd]

Tighty what do you think about hole cards being shown live?  For or against?

Can't see any reason to show them to be honest, dubai made a good point IMO about the players being there to play and aren't getting paid to give away a huge amount of info for free about how they play.  

I am a huge fan of live streams in general, they help promote an event, and by extension a venue, massively

I am not as yet convinced that the advantage that hole card technology confers to the viewing audience outweighs the downside to the players, which is Dubai's point. I am not so exercised by the risks of collusion, which many seem to be, having watched the live stream of Big Game 2 in operation and seeing the security that commentary room had around it

[craigbetts]

Just the C word is a bit ott imo

What was that... calling station  

[sovietsong]

Tighty what do you think about hole cards being shown live?  For or against?

Can't see any reason to show them to be honest, dubai made a good point IMO about the players being there to play and aren't getting paid to give away a huge amount of info for free about how they play.  

I am a huge fan of live streams in general, they help promote an event, and by extension a venue, massively

I am not as yet convinced that the advantage that hole card technology confers to the viewing audience outweighs the downside to the players, which is Dubai's point. I am not so exercised by the risks of collusion, which many seem to be, having watched the live stream of Big Game 2 in operation and seeing the security that commentary room had around it

I tend to agree TightEnd.  Not sure what to do now.  Maybe call you a **** or something?

[George2Loose]

Thread is becoming pretty ridic.

[KarmaDope]

1. Hole card commentary live. The commentators were in a room in the cashier area of the DTD building. As anybody involved in casinos can tell you, that is the HARDEST place to gain access to in the whole building. No way in hell was JP Kelly getting out to tell the rail what so-and-so had. On top of that, he was supervised by 3 people at all times. Doubt he's slipping his phone out to make a quick text.

You only need to plant a mic in the commentary booth a few days before kick off to make the above irrelevant. Let's try and stay one step ahead of grimtown boys.

GL getting into the cashier area of a casino/poker club. Let me know how that goes for you, yeah? No way am I risking that just in case I make the FT of a 3 day event.

I reckon a cashier has got a good chance of getting into the cashier area bud

I also reckon that if I paid a cashier to slip a mic into an area with a rather large amount of CCTV, the amount of money they would require would not be worth it as I'd probably have to win the tournament every time to cover my bills, so the one time I don't, I'm royally fucked.

So are you saying there is no risk? Or are you agreeing with me that there is risk. I've seen people go to all sorts of elaborate lengths for a fraction of the money on that table. Considering that money is yours as a player why are you entertaining any risk at all?

Name something that there is no risk in doing.

As it happens, Tighty has already posted in much better terms than I could my views on collusion.