Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[TightEnd]

By the time I saw the thread (presumably the first mod to see it), the debate was excellent and thus the thread was left up.

that doesn't provide a licence to then send the thread down flaming avenues at a later point

We all know the OP was expressed inappropriately, but what followed was a good discussion
 
Still Geo it provided you with your 47th chance to have a pop at the mods these last few months, so it served some use.

[Geo the Sarge]

By the time I saw the thread (presumably the first mod to see it), the debate was excellent and thus the thread was left up.

that doesn't provide a licence to then send the thread down flaming avenues at a later point

We all know the OP was expressed inappropriately, but what followed was a good discussion
 
Still Geo it provided you with your 47th chance to have a pop at the mods these last few months, so it served some use.

Evidence of 47 posts having a pop at mods please

Geo

[TightEnd]

By the time I saw the thread (presumably the first mod to see it), the debate was excellent and thus the thread was left up.

that doesn't provide a licence to then send the thread down flaming avenues at a later point

We all know the OP was expressed inappropriately, but what followed was a good discussion
 
Still Geo it provided you with your 47th chance to have a pop at the mods these last few months, so it served some use.

Evidence of 47 posts having a pop at mods please

Geo

i can find plenty, send me the right email address and you'll get them

[smashedagain]

By the time I saw the thread (presumably the first mod to see it), the debate was excellent and thus the thread was left up.

that doesn't provide a licence to then send the thread down flaming avenues at a later point

We all know the OP was expressed inappropriately, but what followed was a good discussion
 
Still Geo it provided you with your 47th chance to have a pop at the mods these last few months, so it served some use.

Evidence of 47 posts having a pop at mods please

Geo

i can find plenty, send me the right email address and you'll get them

fml. i aint the biggest Troll or even biggest headache you have, must try harder

[TightEnd]

Nah, I appear to have overestimated. I need to apologise to Geo, his bout of mardiness was longer ago than I remembered. Sorry.

Still, I did explain why the OP was left up, when ordinarily it wouldn't be.

[Geo the Sarge]

Nah, I appear to have overestimated. I need to apologise to Geo, his bout of mardiness was longer ago than I remembered. Sorry.

Still, I did explain why the OP was left up, when ordinarily it wouldn't be.

You did have me doubting myself and I started going back through all my previous posts. Could only find the one about removing a thread due to rumour and specualtion then posting something I deemed having been done in the same manner.

I only went back to January mind you 

Geo

[Geo the Sarge]

And for the record, the monkeys I refer to are not the other mods, I have no issues with them. It's the ones who are all too quick to jump on in defense of the mods, rather than let the ones who made the decisions reply.

Geo

[Jon MW]

the OTT post and any that quoted it were removed

Frankie was PMed


The OP was also OTT, but whereas it would ordinarily be deleted it turned into such a good debate that it was left for context

There's no need to turn to flaming to spoil that good debate at this stage

So it's ok to start a thread by flaming but not for someone to reply in kind???

Just lol

Geo

It says in the post you've quoted that the OP would ordinarily be deleted so, 'So it's ok to start a thread by flaming ...?'  - the answer would presumably be no.

... I can read well enough for myself.

....

Geo

The evidence would suggest otherwise.

Merely understanding each word isn't really a good definition of reading well.

Every other person who read that post could work out contextually that it meant the debate was already underway when a mod got to it.

Are you the only one too dense to realise this? Or were you just being mardily argumentative for the sake of it?

[cambridgealex]

New thread shouldve been started imo, having this at the top of the news feed still is, well, regretful to say the least.

[sovietsong]

I often wonder how people get so excited on an internet forum...

lets all calm down.

[Manuel]

New thread shouldve been started imo, having this at the top of the news feed still is, well, regretful to say the least.

In light of recent events I think this man should have the call really. Shame to spoil his moment of good fortune.

[Manuel]

I often wonder how people get so excited on an internet forum...

lets all calm down.

I think they get upset or excited about something in real life, the internet becomes a good place to vent

[KarmaDope]

Pity this thread disintegrated really, was a good debate.

The team involved with the streaming/cards/tables were all from Germany, so I don't think they're related to the guys that Caroline was talking about and also don't think they'd know anybody playing that they would collude with.

Just a few things from the weekend from my perspective that were raised here:

1. Hole card commentary live. The commentators were in a room in the cashier area of the DTD building. As anybody involved in casinos can tell you, that is the HARDEST place to gain access to in the whole building. No way in hell was JP Kelly getting out to tell the rail what so-and-so had. On top of that, he was supervised by 3 people at all times. Doubt he's slipping his phone out to make a quick text.

2. One player, who was not the winner, took a phone call during the final table FFS. Thankfully it was before the stream had started. I believe Mitch put it best though "You gonna lock us all in a cage during the breaks as well?"

3. Can also confirm that Alex didn't use his phone once told not to.

One thing I do disagree with was that the TV table got the same number of hands. I thought it was slower for a few reasons, most notably that dealer changes took longer so the dealers could swop mics, and also that the production team were talking to the dealers. I know one thing that pissed me off (and I wasn't even playing lol) was that dealers on the feature table were having to announce all action to the production team. A dealer also said that they weren't happy with the special cards used as they were hard to shuffle and took longer.

As an observer, I'd love to watch something like this. Just not live, I don't think it works properly unless it's actually live rather than 30 min delay because of text updates.

As an updater, it was a massive pain in the backside as it affected all tables. I was having to check that a person I was updating on hadn't been moved to/from the feature table for fear of spoilers on Day 2, which is not something I should be doing. With Twitter et al, even if we didn't have text updates it's pretty impossible to avoid spoilers. I struggle to get my posts out sometimes before people have tweeted them which is annoying, so a 30min stream delay has no chance.

[MANTIS01]

1. Hole card commentary live. The commentators were in a room in the cashier area of the DTD building. As anybody involved in casinos can tell you, that is the HARDEST place to gain access to in the whole building. No way in hell was JP Kelly getting out to tell the rail what so-and-so had. On top of that, he was supervised by 3 people at all times. Doubt he's slipping his phone out to make a quick text.

You only need to plant a mic in the commentary booth a few days before kick off to make the above irrelevant. Let's try and stay one step ahead of grimtown boys.

[TightEnd]

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Lets concentrate on the good debate about the hole cards/live feed etc please, thanks