are angleshooters welcome in the game?

[titaniumbean]

unless your areguement is going to stand up in court you arent going to do it - as thats where it would end up for this kind of money

lol


TDs opinion > slighted party.

That's why we pay rake, we get an unbiased set of decisions in line with the games rules and fair play rules.

That's why WSOP womens event TD was so out of line abusing the guy, and why it's incredible anyone kept playing on UB/AP etc.

If Rich says it's a d.q it's a d motherfking q!  (also Matt Savage kinda knows what he's talking about too!).

[outragous76]

unless your areguement is going to stand up in court you arent going to do it - as thats where it would end up for this kind of money

lol


TDs opinion > slighted party.

That's why we pay rake, we get an unbiased set of decisions in line with the games rules and fair play rules.

That's why WSOP womens event TD was so out of line abusing the guy, and why it's incredible anyone kept playing on UB/AP etc.

If Rich says it's a d.q it's a d motherfking q!  (also Matt Savage kinda knows what he's talking about too!).

im sure the court would take that view! oh wait..........

[dik9]

I do agree, that for a first offence it is too strong, there may even be a case where it wasn't a clear cut as this and a penalty may be too harsh. In this particular instance and with the benefit of TV replay ( that TK could access if needed) it was the most deplorable play I have seen. The reason I enjoy my job is I love reading body language. In this case I feel he knew exactly what he was doing, it was very clear cut, his eyes were laughing and he knew how the TD must rule therefore involving the TD to his advantage . GTFO lol his arse would be out the front door without passing go.

Pmsl Mr Bean

doesn't have to stand up in court. You may not like it but if you enter a game the TD can disco anyone for anything and you have no redress, question you have to ask yourself is are you happy with the rules, venue and staff before you sit down. Rule 1 isn't used much but it clearly states the Floor decision is final, if you don't like that rule don't play live poker.

[titaniumbean]

unless your areguement is going to stand up in court you arent going to do it - as thats where it would end up for this kind of money

lol


TDs opinion > slighted party.

That's why we pay rake, we get an unbiased set of decisions in line with the games rules and fair play rules.

That's why WSOP womens event TD was so out of line abusing the guy, and why it's incredible anyone kept playing on UB/AP etc.

If Rich says it's a d.q it's a d motherfking q!  (also Matt Savage kinda knows what he's talking about too!).

im sure the court would take that view! oh wait..........

Are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really think that you are above the set of house and venue rules that you are meant to adhere to when you play in a live environment?


Are you even slightly aware of how casinos operate and how easy it is for them to ban anyone they want from their premises?

My last line is tongue in cheek, the rest is clearly not.


The first part of game selection is trusting the game you play in, then you look at your opponents....

[doogan]

phatomch would of dq'd him

[sovietsong]

pretty sick of threads like this cluttering up the forum, can't we keep these types of topics in diaries?

[kinboshi]

pretty sick of threads like this cluttering up the forum, can't we keep these types of topics in diaries?

Yeah, who wants this considered poker debate on a poker forum? We want more threads about pies ffs.

[sovietsong]

pretty sick of threads like this cluttering up the forum, can't we keep these types of topics in diaries?

Yeah, who wants this considered poker debate on a poker forum? We want more threads about pies ffs.

to be honest, i would prefer all topics to be covered in diaries. 

[gatso]

pretty sick of threads like this cluttering up the forum, can't we keep these types of topics in diaries?

Yeah, who wants this considered poker debate on a poker forum? We want more threads about pies ffs.

to be honest, i would prefer all topics to be covered in diaries. 

sicko. and it's spelt 'diarrhea'

[gatso]

the ft that followed this hand is on channel 4 now. lots of reference to the angle shoot

[dik9]

I feel sick watching it

[MANTIS01]

I agree with Guy that it would be hard to defend a dq in court. Dik you're a TD right? and you're saying stuff like his laughing eyes made you sick etc. A barrister could print a thread like this and read it out in court and illustrate quite convincingly that a TD's motivation was personal and a dq was not in the interests of the game at all. Didn't TK do what's fair to the players by dishing info and history even thou he hated the situation? If you go st8 for dq without exploring other options like proper penalties or what TK did a regular judge in court will think the TD dq'd out of spite. Thus not providing the service of giving unbiased decisions the player paid his juice for.

[dik9]

Take me to court.

My job is to protect the integrity of the game, I would be doing the other players an injustice by allowing them to play in such a game, they have paid juice to be protected against things such as this.

As I said earlier, he most likely would have received penalties previous to this if I was TD so disqualifying would be easy to justify ( not in a court of law, but in my mind).

I have the utmost respect for Thomas Kremser, but in this instance I believe if he had been given penalties previous to this in any of the 5 times in the 2 events he TD'd we wouldn't be discussing this.

I have run competitions when looking back in hindsight, I may have given the wrong ruling, lacked a penalty or dished out a stronger penalty than I should. It plays on your mind, I chat with other TD's and sometimes I kick myself. I am sure TK is in this position now.

FWIW I have NEVER dished a penalty out over spite, or let anything personal influence ANY decision. If it was my Granny doing this she would get the same treatment.

I got blocked from Jack Eiffel's twitter account because I questioned his TD's unbiasedness at this years WSOP ladies event lol. I think it is wrong that there is a ladies event, but if there is a ladies event it should be ladies only. If the law states that men can enter then so be it. Once anyone pays to play in a tourney they should be treated exactly the same as everyone else not chastised, bullied or cheered out of a comp.

The other thing that you say regarding TK's handling of the situation IMO is wrong. It isn't just you either a lot of people had said it takes a strong TD to point out his previous offence and the results of it. All he needed to say in this situation is that he had previous for doing the same thing. Yanayt isn't thick he knew the score, in fact I think my grandson could see this coming. TK puts himself in a position by saying what he does, what if he had a really shit hand and TK has just influenced Yanayt to fold?

Will be horrified if he was allowed to play the Champion of Champions event.

[outragous76]

dik9

The sole point you are missing here is that the preceeding incidents and the lack of action by the TD are the sole reason why this would end up in court if your Dq'ed him here in this spot (well the sums of money involved are the REASON it would end up in court, but that would be the basis).

My point, as mantis expanded upon, is that a barrister would make you look so rediculous because of that and other matters you have raised ("laughing eyes"), that you couldnt substantiate your decission.

Im not saying that if appropriate action had previously been taken that a isnt relevant (i'd like to think it was, angleshootng is my pet hate), but it wasnt, and im fairly sure that this angle shooting prick took that into account as he continued to do it!

[MANTIS01]

And in reality, in the real world, the TD isn't employed by the players to protect the integrity of the game. The TD is employed by the venue to run the comp smoothly. And it's the venue who would be sued. So when dik9 is standing next to his employer in court passionately defending the honour of the game his gaffer is thinking WTF is this? Why have I got a mound of litigation to wade through and possibile liabilities? Why couldn't my TD be a super smooth guy with a silk tie and a pearly smile who just glides over and irons things out with a few choice words. All this TD's word is final sounds a bit power hungry to me and a dq should be a crazy last resort that you could 100% justify to a non-poker playing courtroom should that eventuality occur. TK is the nuts and after all factors were considered his actions were the nuts so other TD's should be learning from him and his thought process really.