Shove or fold as a backed player

[Bully87]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (IPoker)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 02, 08:50:22 ET 2011
Table Denar (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $11.36 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 83
Seat 3: Hero ( $15.95 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 2.4, Hands: 1071
Seat 5: Player5 ( $28.84 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 26, 3B: 8, AF: 8.0, Hands: 82
Seat 6: Player6 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 13, AF: 1.0, Hands: 20
Seat 8: Player8 ( $10.20 USD ) - VPIP: 58, PFR: 15, 3B: 17, AF: 4.3, Hands: 26
Seat 10: Player10 ( $6.93 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 83
Player8 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player10 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Sorry to all the ballers who are above this level...
 
Granted its only over a small sample but the dynamic that I'm not playing with my own money lead to my ultimate decision to fold this. I dont know if I stoved it correctly but it gave me this output of 53% favourite vs his 59% VPIP.
Add to that the stupid 10c bet/raise on me. In hindsight I should have flat but would you stick it in now? And would you still if you were playing as a backed player?

Dealt to Hero [  ]
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.35 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player8 raises [$0.55 USD]
Player10 folds
Hero calls [$0.25 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Player8 bets [$0.10 USD]
Hero raises [$1.20 USD]
Player8 raises [$4.80 USD]
Hero folds
Player8 wins $7.16 USD from main pot

[Solaris]

Fold pre. Calling a 3bet with a9o is a massively losing play long-term.

As for the flop, why are we raising with a draw if we're not willing to get it in? You've commited the cardinal sin of raising without a plan.

Don't see why being backed or not has any effect. We should look to play every hand to the optimum level regardless of whether it's our money on the line or not, surely?

[redarmi]

Firstly, the fact you are backed should not make any difference to your play at all.  Onto the hand.  I fold pre and also probably now althoguh it is probably close now against such a wide range but I would fold.  Also not sure what you mean that you are a 53% fave against his 59%vpip range.  You have to narrow his range based on what he has done in the hand.  Unless he is a complete nutcase he probably doesn't have  KJo for example.

[Patonius2000]

Hope your backer doesn't see this.

[Bully87]

Cheers for responses guys, obvs mistakes made all the way through the hand. Nobodies perfect...

[cambridgealex]

Hope your backer doesn't see this.

Lol

[muckthenuts]

With the price you're getting pre peeling seems mandatory to me.

If you had fold equity i'd definitely shove the flop, but it's probably a fold now.

[SuuPRlim]

if you make decisions differently cos you're backed, you're a bad player to back.

[Nico29]

Obv dont be making diff decisions if backed or not.

Pre you seem to be the one in position so i don't mind the peel pre at all, lol@rfolding to this sized 3b.

And it's 6 handed v supposedly a possible lag/spewtard.

Post i think if yr gonna fold to a 3b i peel the flop otherwise i get it in.

[SuuPRlim]

lol@rfolding to this sized 3b.

tbf we're still under it vs his range and despite position have reasonable reversed implied odds problems

I think it would be a fine spot to fold, speshly given weaker SS players tenancies to 3bet tiny with super strong hands.

I mean im sure peeling is fine given the price, but its not a good or mandatory peel by any means imo

[Nico29]

lol@rfolding to this sized 3b.

tbf we're still under it vs his range and despite position have reasonable reversed implied odds problems

I think it would be a fine spot to fold, speshly given weaker SS players tenancies to 3bet tiny with super strong hands.

I mean im sure peeling is fine given the price, but its not a good or mandatory peel by any means imo

So dave yr advocating 3.5xng and folding to a min click in position?

Why rse in first place 6 hndd if yr gonna do this with a9 in pos v a fishy small blind?

Wld feel the dirtiest of nits even contemplating this.

[redarmi]

Given the price and position and player I don't think that peeling is bad but it is such a hard hand to play post flop and even when we flop fairly hard, as we do here, against an aggros oppo it is just very hard to play profitably.  I think versus this lineup opening A9o UTG+1 with 3b%'s of 8, 13 and 17 behind you is a losing play and only the actual guy that 3bet you seems massively spewy from his stats.

[Nico29]

Given the price and position and player I don't think that peeling is bad but it is such a hard hand to play post flop and even when we flop fairly hard, as we do here, against an aggros oppo it is just very hard to play profitably.  I think versus this lineup opening A9o UTG+1 with 3b%'s of 8, 13 and 17 behind you is a losing play and only the actual guy that 3bet you seems massively spewy from his stats.

Cert don't hate open folding pre.

[Solaris]

Obv dont be making diff decisions if backed or not.

Pre you seem to be the one in position so i don't mind the peel pre at all, lol@rfolding to this sized 3b.

And it's 6 handed v supposedly a possible lag/spewtard.

Post i think if yr gonna fold to a 3b i peel the flop otherwise i get it in.

I fold pre.

Think this hand is one that will get us into major trouble over time so we shouldn't be flatting a 3b even IP against an aggressive opponent as we'll be put in tough spots post-flop. If we've been 3 bet pre and flop an ace do we c/c three streets? Hand just doesn't play well.

Whilst we get a good price etc, for the sake of advancement as a player, especially one playing at 10NL, it's so important to make the right decisions and playing A9o to a 3 bet generally isn't one of those correct decisions.

[SuuPRlim]

lol@rfolding to this sized 3b.

tbf we're still under it vs his range and despite position have reasonable reversed implied odds problems

I think it would be a fine spot to fold, speshly given weaker SS players tenancies to 3bet tiny with super strong hands.

I mean im sure peeling is fine given the price, but its not a good or mandatory peel by any means imo

So dave yr advocating 3.5xng and folding to a min click in position?

Why rse in first place 6 hndd if yr gonna do this with a9 in pos v a fishy small blind?

Wld feel the dirtiest of nits even contemplating this.

firstly i wouldn't 3.5x open seems totally unnecessary to do anything but 3x

tbh I'd prolly 4bet fold here cos we're gonna be getting a gd price to get it through and Id prolly assume its a misclick because I dont think anyone intentionally 3bet clicks it from the sb

all im saying is that it would be fine to fold here. what exactly are we losing? prolly about 4big blinds in equity vs a range that could be nutted, could be a misclick or could be someone rolling their face on the keyboard. claims it would be bad to fold are just wrong imo. although might not be optimal. And there is still point in opening it because we dont always get 3bet.