River overbet @ Luton G wednesday £50f/o

[Pinchop73]

Hi der.

I played the £50 comp at Luton last Wednesday, I noted this hand in my phone at the time as I found it a difficult decision, something I rarely find myself having to make in comps like these.

Notes - Villain in this hand has been to my direct left since the start. Have never played him before at Luton nor anywhere else. Has frequently opened UTG. He's a calling station pre. Seems to flat everything when ip. Has taken down a few sizeable pots uncontested by overbetting the river. He has overbet 4 or 5 times uncontested, whether ip or oop. Hasn't raised once post flop, but overbets the river. Has accumulated lots, yet hasn't showndown once.

When I sat down initially I was stoked as I had two players I knew from playing elsewhere to my left, but I soon realised that this chap inbetween was not going to be pushed around, as I folded tptk otb to his donk river overbet.

So yeah, the hand in question...

Level 2, 50/100

Villain (playing 14kish) opens to 350.

Folds round to Hero (playing 9kish) in the SB who 3b's to 975 with  .

Call from villain UTG.

Flop (pot 2050)

Hero checks.
Villain checks.

Turn (pot 2050)
Hero bets 1300.
Villain calls.

River (pot 4650)

Hero checks.

Villain bets 5750.

Hero

[stato_1]

Only read the title, fold

[muckthenuts]

Flat pre, call river.

[pleno1]

fold pre, sigh call river.

[Simon Galloway]

I'm sure I'm one of the tighter players from the blinds.  BUT:

I just can't see how 3betting with AT against a calling station pre is going to achieve anything other than inflating a pot that you have to play OOP.  Then true to form, you face a 5k bet on the end, rather than 1700 on the end.  If it were next hand, I'm fine with the 3bet on the button, but this hand, fold pre>>peel>>3bet.

As played, I don't think he checks back the flop with T8/98/88//87 type hands.  So on the river, he either got very lucky with KQ, is overplaying the shit out of a rivered jack, or is overplaying a hand "for value" that you otherwise beat.  Or he has air.  Or he is a luckbox and opened x-8, where "x" is greater than 3 or pips away.

Given his previous, I am looking to do a hero call, but a) I wish I'd kept the pot smaller and b) I like early nights.

[outragous76]

fold pre, sigh snap call river.

fyp

[Nico29]

I fold pre, why inflate a pot oop against a tricky villain-when we can just wait for a nice spot in position when he'll invariably spazz em all off.

On river it's a real puke spot, i bet flop anyway tbh, why are you slowplaying tptk on a wetish board?

Two straights hitting the river is obv spew and now it's kinda read dependant for me but more often than not with yr stack it's a fold.

[millidonk]

Flat pre, call river.

I do this which probs indicates fold pre is the way to go.

[Solaris]

I'm sure I'm one of the tighter players from the blinds.  BUT:

I just can't see how 3betting with AT against a calling station pre is going to achieve anything other than inflating a pot that you have to play OOP.  

Nope, you're completely correct.

Live pro's rarely fold pre so we're playing an average hand post flop OOP in an inflated pot, as you have said.

Not a profitable play.

[ruholding]

I'm sure I'm one of the tighter players from the blinds.  BUT:

I just can't see how 3betting with AT against a calling station pre is going to achieve anything other than inflating a pot that you have to play OOP.  

Nope, you're completely correct.

Live pro's rarely fold pre so we're playing an average hand post flop OOP in an inflated pot, as you have said.

Not a profitable play.

was the villian dean morris if so go all in

[SuuPRlim]

cant see how this can be a bluff. cant think of much he vbets like this we beat.

[DMorgan]

Fold pre fold river

[the sicilian]

I'm sure I'm one of the tighter players from the blinds.  BUT:

I just can't see how 3betting with AT against a calling station pre is going to achieve anything other than inflating a pot that you have to play OOP.  

Nope, you're completely correct.

Live pro's rarely fold pre so we're playing an average hand post flop OOP in an inflated pot, as you have said.

Not a profitable play.

was the villian dean morris if so go all in

lolz villain sure sounds like me..goog read as usual mr rusuring..and yes 3b pre is not a good play.op to an early raise im folding pre

[GreekStein]

Not 3-betting this hand pre but doubt I'm folding it in a 50f.

But if I am ever 3-betting this hand I'm a million to be checking flop.

[DungBeetle]

This is level 2 - I don't understand why people don't think this can be a bluff given that:

"has taken down a few sizeable pots uncontested by overbetting the river. He has overbet 4 or 5 times uncontested, whether ip or oop."

I'm calling this.