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« on: August 06, 2011, 09:17:08 PM »


 Not posted many of these but i know i have too if i want to improve,so here it goes..

Hero stack 26K

Villian stack 28K

Not much history on Villian as he was recently seated on our table, although he's raised in late position often and took most of the pots down.. Table playing tight and me even tighter i guess...

Blinds 400/800 ante 50

Folded round to villian in Hi Jack who bets 2200 passed round to me in the BB and i have K J off and decide to flat?

Flop Q,10,5 rainbow, i check and he leads for 2200 i flat?

Turn 3 check check (sigh)

River J Check Check


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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 09:31:35 PM »

fold pre imo, has his raise sizings always been the same? theres def a case for 3b/f pre given ur reads.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 09:33:54 PM »

At bb800, surely the ante is 100? What's the ave stack at this stage? And perhaps I'm just a nit, but I hate flatting KJo oop. Fold or 3bet/fold depending on how tight he perceives you to be.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 09:43:49 PM »

fold pre imo, has his raise sizings always been the same? theres def a case for 3b/f pre given ur reads.

They have at this level but not sure about others, he maybe been at table 30 min..
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 09:45:45 PM »

At bb800, surely the ante is 100? What's the ave stack at this stage? And perhaps I'm just a nit, but I hate flatting KJo oop. Fold or 3bet/fold depending on how tight he perceives you to be.

Yeh you could be right about the ante maybe it was 100 not sure tbh.. AV stack was roughly 27k...
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 09:50:20 PM »

With < average I'm probably folding here. Opening lighter in position vs a tight table though.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 11:56:50 PM »

Fold pre

C/raise the flop as played
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2011, 12:37:00 AM »

pre a bit loose perhaps im not qualified to comment

post flop seems absolutely fine, Not in love with a c/r cos we dont really rep much and the stacks have enough depth for him to call and I can see him doing so pretty light + getting it in might be a bit spewy vs what will prolly be a reasonably strong range. I think we rep a stronger range of hands by chk calling, and if the turn goes chk/chk we could prolly get a good value river bluff through given how people give a lot of credit to preflop callers on Q high boards.

another excellent point for the chk./call is should we bink an ACE he is almost certainly going to barrel
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2011, 01:54:18 AM »

You ignored my advice re: marginal holdings oop then? WP lol. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2011, 08:17:51 AM »

pre a bit loose perhaps im not qualified to comment

post flop seems absolutely fine, Not in love with a c/r cos we dont really rep much and the stacks have enough depth for him to call and I can see him doing so pretty light + getting it in might be a bit spewy vs what will prolly be a reasonably strong range. I think we rep a stronger range of hands by chk calling, and if the turn goes chk/chk we could prolly get a good value river bluff through given how people give a lot of credit to preflop callers on Q high boards.

another excellent point for the chk./call is should we bink an ACE he is almost certainly going to barrel

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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2011, 08:28:51 AM »

Fold pre

C/raise the flop as played

cheers champ, yeh thought i should of folded pre 
quite liked the flop tho and when i C/called i got a feeling from him that he didn't like the call..  On the turn i'm 100 % C/raising all in maybe spewy but felt it would get through and then he checked 
Then river dropped a jack down and now i had showdown value i guess and when he checked back and declared one pair for almost 3 seconds i thought i was good until he turned over  ...
straight away i relised that i totally butchered the hand and just wanted to get some feedback from everyone..
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2011, 08:32:52 AM »

pre a bit loose perhaps im not qualified to comment

post flop seems absolutely fine, Not in love with a c/r cos we dont really rep much and the stacks have enough depth for him to call and I can see him doing so pretty light + getting it in might be a bit spewy vs what will prolly be a reasonably strong range. I think we rep a stronger range of hands by chk calling, and if the turn goes chk/chk we could prolly get a good value river bluff through given how people give a lot of credit to preflop callers on Q high boards.

another excellent point for the chk./call is should we bink an ACE he is almost certainly going to barrel

bingo- boss response, listen to this man!

Yeh deffo good post and much appreciated..
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2011, 08:41:55 AM »

You ignored my advice re: marginal holdings oop then? WP lol. 

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2011, 11:31:37 AM »

Fold pre

C/raise the flop as played

cheers champ, yeh thought i should of folded pre 
quite liked the flop tho and when i C/called i got a feeling from him that he didn't like the call..  On the turn i'm 100 % C/raising all in maybe spewy but felt it would get through and then he checked 
Then river dropped a jack down and now i had showdown value i guess and when he checked back and declared one pair for almost 3 seconds i thought i was good until he turned over  ...
straight away i relised that i totally butchered the hand and just wanted to get some feedback from everyone..

i reckon I could VERY easily of found myself value betting the river lol
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2011, 12:53:57 PM »

Yeh I'd defo be vbetting aj in villains spot. Or did you mean you'd lead kj for value on the river in hero's spot?

I hadn't really paid attention to stack sizes when I said craise the flop. I thought he could just shove the flop lol. Still think it's a fine move and even though were not repping much besides qt and sets hell still probs give up on most ace high hands, small pairs, random 78suited hands that have equity vs us so it gets through a fair amount. If he's not a gd hand reader he might fold jacks, Tx as well.

If he bets the turn here do you like a craise, dave?

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