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[sweet potata!]

A 9 darter has no room for error, Its 9 perfect darts required. But 147 would be miles harder to do ino

Surely a 147 is 37 perfect shots?

How does a 9 darter have no room for error? You have a dart with a pointy bit less than 1mm across which can go anywhere in a bed about 8mm by 20mm (just a guess). Looks like a fair bit of wiggle room to me.

In snooker you have a ball about 50mm in diammeter that has to go in a pocket about 90mm across. Not much wiggle room there.

At the top level I'd guess that the frequency of a 147 or 9 darter occurring is pretty similar.

Both unbelievably difficult but both readily achievable in the modern games.

Well what I meant was, that you could keep running out of position on a 147 and then pot your way out of trouble, bring the white ball around the angles or whatever, So they wouldn't technically be perfect shots ye know what I mean?

As far the Darts, yea they prob have some wiggle room if you're Phil Taylor cos he can land them on the width of a flys eyelash apparently.

[Graham C]

Hole in one is harder imo.  Darts players throw loads of 180's each tournament so it can't be that hard.  We do a couple of darts leagues round here and they get awards for throwing 180's and there's loads of them being given out.   If I played darts for 6 months, I'd expect to get at least 1x180.  I could play golf for 20 years and not get a hole in one.

147 or 9 darter (300 game at bowling) ?  Completely different, both pretty hard to do I imagine

[kinboshi]

I was going to mention a 300 in ten-pin bowling.  I know of a couple of people who have scored 300s, and they are serious amateur players (one actually works as the mechanic at a bowl, bowls in leagues and obviously gets in a ridiculous amount of practice whilst 'working'). 

I'd say a 300 is comparable to the others, all out of the reach of anyone who isn't a very, very decent player.

[EvilPie]

The 300 is much more attainable than either a 147 or a 9 darter.

Probably similar in skill level to an 11/12 darter or a total clearance. Pros do it regularly, amateurs get it now and then and it's a massive big deal.

A 3 set 900 is about the same skill level as a 9 darter or 147. I'm basing this on how many people actually achieve it which isn't many.

[Graham C]

Pro's dont get as many 300's as you'd think.  It's probably marginally harder than a 9 darter given that it's 12 perfect bowls rather than just 9 perfect darts.

A 3 set 900 would be bloody impossible I expect, miles harder than a 9 darter or 147

[Graham C]

in fact, from the pba website

CONSECUTIVE 300s
3, Norm Duke, over two rounds (North Brunswick, NJ, April, 10, 1996)

only once ever in pro bowling has someone bowled 3x300 games and that was 15 years ago!

[kinboshi]

in fact, from the pba website

CONSECUTIVE 300s
3, Norm Duke, over two rounds (North Brunswick, NJ, April, 10, 1996)

only once ever in pro bowling has someone bowled 3x300 games and that was 15 years ago!

'Norm Duke' - could he have a name that made him sound more like an American ten-pin bowling pro?

[Junior Senior]

Please just end the thread.
Hole in one easiest for average Joe punter with no better pre-achieved skill in any discipline
The nine darter is next easiest followed by 147 which is about 50 times harder than a nine darter to achieve for average person. I fact I would say your average Joe will never ever be able to get a 147, whereas a lot of practice might get you a nine darter and if you play golf long enough even at a relatively poor standard you probably will get a hole in one even on a normal par 72 course with average four par 4's per round.


Now, this is over folks, nothing more to debate here

[kinboshi]

Please just end the thread.
Hole in one easiest for average Joe punter with no better pre-achieved skill in any discipline
The nine darter is next easiest followed by 147 which is about 50 times harder than a nine darter to achieve for average person. I fact I would say your average Joe will never ever be able to get a 147, whereas a lot of practice might get you a nine darter and if you play golf long enough even at a relatively poor standard you probably will get a hole in one even on a normal par 72 course with average four par 4's per round.


Now, this is over folks, nothing more to debate here

So where does the 300 fit in?

[Chompy]

How many 180s would you expect Phil Taylor to hit from a dozen tries?

How many holes in one would you expect Rory McIlroy to hit on a dozen par threes?

[kinboshi]

How many 180s would you expect Phil Taylor to hit from a dozen tries?

How many holes in one would you expect Rory McIlroy to hit on a dozen par threes?

[ ] amateurs

It'd be more interesting the other way round, with Taylor going for the hole-in-one and McIlroy going for the 180s.

[buzzharvey22]

think we should add holing an iron shot from between 130-200 yards as its exactly the same skill level (if anything harder due to dodgy lies) think from me playing golf for around 6 years from a decent standard i holed 7 or 8 long shorts. 100% sure if id have put the same amount of practice in on the dart board id have a lot more 180's

[david3103]

How many 180s would you expect Phil Taylor to hit from a dozen tries?

How many holes in one would you expect Rory McIlroy to hit on a dozen par threes?

[ ] amateurs

It'd be more interesting the other way round, with Taylor going for the hole-in-one and McIlroy going for the 180s.

I'd back McIlroy to attain the skill required to achieve a 180 given a week's practice and Taylor to be able to hit the green with the same level of preparation.

However - I won a nearest the pin competition with a tee shot that missed the green by about 10 yards but hit the perfect spot on the side of the bunker and could have gone in the hole if it had rolled another foot or so. Can't get a 180 by bouncing off the scorer's nose or the lights.

147 harder than either and 300 game somewhere in between.

Where would you rank a 167 checkout?

[Karabiner]

Please just end the thread.
Hole in one easiest for average Joe punter with no better pre-achieved skill in any discipline
The nine darter is next easiest followed by 147 which is about 50 times harder than a nine darter to achieve for average person. I fact I would say your average Joe will never ever be able to get a 147, whereas a lot of practice might get you a nine darter and if you play golf long enough even at a relatively poor standard you probably will get a hole in one even on a normal par 72 course with average four par 4's per round.


Now, this is over folks, nothing more to debate here

I would say that holes in one on par fours are quite a rarity.

FWIW I've played single-figure handicap golf for over forty years and never had an ace.

[smashedagain]

Please just end the thread.
Hole in one easiest for average Joe punter with no better pre-achieved skill in any discipline
The nine darter is next easiest followed by 147 which is about 50 times harder than a nine darter to achieve for average person. I fact I would say your average Joe will never ever be able to get a 147, whereas a lot of practice might get you a nine darter and if you play golf long enough even at a relatively poor standard you probably will get a hole in one even on a normal par 72 course with average four par 4's per round.


Now, this is over folks, nothing more to debate here

I would say that holes in one on par fours are quite a rarity.

FWIW I've played single-figure handicap golf for over forty years and never had an ace.

at last an honest golfer. i cant believe all the hole in ones here and yet on the tours the car for a hole in one rarley gets won by the best 100 players in the world having either 2 or 4 goes at it week in week out