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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2011, 05:09:22 PM »

1st hand 3b described villian, will be happy to get it in pre and he's going to flat a ton of hands oop.

Hand 2 i think is fine, worse Q's prolly fold the river to a 3 barrell and worse pairs will be more likely to call/bluff river with your line.

Hand 3 without info is a fold for sure


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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2011, 05:10:25 PM »

Just fold AQ. It's a shit hand

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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2011, 05:12:16 PM »

reads?

The guy who re shoved, had been pretty solid tbh, had not played too many pots, once before i had opened with 98 suited, he flatted with 88, called 1 flop bet with 88 on a Jack high board and chkd back turn and river.

do you think calling here is too  risky/spewy?
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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2011, 05:14:43 PM »

Just fold AQ. It's a shit hand

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agree with that, weird how each hand I'm talking about I have AQ lolol - nah, came 8th, BVB KQ suited vs AK aipf, KQ10 flop, Jack on turn - gg
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« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2011, 06:17:03 PM »

I would 3bet pre to simplify the hand with a stack that isn't all that deep. 6-handed and in a bubble type spot with decent pot in the middle villain with the chip adv is never giving up the lead easy. If he's using his stack well as you say then you're putting yourself in a tough spot post. Tempting to float all flops you miss as you will still feel ahead. But in this end game spot I don't like putting many chips in with no hand, chips you can use to exploit other smaller stacks. I think it's better to 3bet and put him in the tough spot. Agree we are in the tough spot if he 4bet but meh not that tough and anyway he doesn't 4bet often. Taking the aggro line is good for your image in this bubble dynamic imo and he can always call/jam worse.
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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2011, 06:22:36 PM »

I would 3bet pre to simplify the hand with a stack that isn't all that deep. 6-handed and in a bubble type spot with decent pot in the middle villain with the chip adv is never giving up the lead easy. If he's using his stack well as you say then you're putting yourself in a tough spot post. Tempting to float all flops you miss as you will still feel ahead. But in this end game spot I don't like putting many chips in with no hand, chips you can use to exploit other smaller stacks. I think it's better to 3bet and put him in the tough spot. Agree we are in the tough spot if he 4bet but meh not that tough and anyway he doesn't 4bet often. Taking the aggro line is good for your image in this bubble dynamic imo and he can always call/jam worse.

Presume you are suggesting a 3b/call when he sticks it in our eye?
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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2011, 06:31:07 PM »

Generally i'd say the tougher the comp the smaller your sizing should be preflop and vice versa.

Maybe this guy just thought the field was soft Tongue
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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2011, 06:40:58 PM »

I would 3bet pre to simplify the hand with a stack that isn't all that deep. 6-handed and in a bubble type spot with decent pot in the middle villain with the chip adv is never giving up the lead easy. If he's using his stack well as you say then you're putting yourself in a tough spot post. Tempting to float all flops you miss as you will still feel ahead. But in this end game spot I don't like putting many chips in with no hand, chips you can use to exploit other smaller stacks. I think it's better to 3bet and put him in the tough spot. Agree we are in the tough spot if he 4bet but meh not that tough and anyway he doesn't 4bet often. Taking the aggro line is good for your image in this bubble dynamic imo and he can always call/jam worse.

Presume you are suggesting a 3b/call when he sticks it in our eye?

3bet/folding AQs vs aggro/bad villain in short-handed ft bubble clash can't be good
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« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2011, 02:43:07 AM »

i mean first and foremost fold the flop 110% of the time
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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2011, 02:47:09 AM »

if 3x is his standard open, and he's shown tendancies of getting it in light or at least 3bet/4bet folding pre then 3bet call is fine and dandy. With stack sizes i dont mind peel pre not to induce a squeeze pre perse, but snap one off it it comes. once the flop is that bad, just fold
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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2011, 01:32:48 PM »

3. When he bets 36k into 98k or whatever it was, he pretty much never has a hand on 56Jcc, so I would always raise. You're just going to pick up the pot so many times and with this sizing he's pretty much never got a hand that he'll continue with. You're risking 100k to win 134k so you're getting a really good price on a bluff that is going to work a very high % in my opinion. If he does do anything however, be done with the hand unless we improve, and even then play cagily. I'm 100% convinced that if he had a fd, a J  or a pair between a 6 and a J he would almost certainly bet bigger here for all sorts of obvious reasons. He just never has a hand here; make it 100k and be done with it if he does anything.

4. Once we have flatted, he can't fold to this bet sizing. He's barreling less than half pot on each street and if we agree that he has air most of the time on the flop, then he NEVER has a flush, and can have picked up a worse Ax and just be betting because he has top pair (I am assuming he's not a high level thinker from his sizing pre and post). I honestly don't think you can fold when with this sizing he pretty much always has a weakish showdown hand, and the only thing that makes sense if we think he had air on the flop is Ax, most of which we beat. If he had Ax two pair he would be more confident with his holding and bet bigger, same if he randomly has a flush. We're getting too good a price and have the best hand a lot of the time after that weak flop bet.
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Im kinda shocked at people wanting to fold the flop.  With his sizing I wouldnt expect him to ever have anything he is happy going to the felt with.  Id float this almost 100% of the time and expect him to check most turns and be able to pick up the pot.  Lots of players are passive enough here to c/f turn with 77-99 and maybe TT and usually just check/give up with their Ax/random air hands.  I also like Sykes line of making it 100k on the flop.

Turn is a clear call imo, nothing else.  Im not fist-pumping when he bets the river also but for his sizing I cant see how we can fold and we can have the best hand a decent amount of the time anyway.
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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2011, 01:01:34 AM »

Not sure how people can see that 3bet/call isn't hugely profitable here.

From lildaves calcs we can show a 3bb profit by just jamming pre even if he's a massive nit. We get the same profit even if he only 4bets the nitty stuff (TT+, AK) but 3bet/call gives him the chance to spaz 4bet which gives us a bigger profit than jamming (which we know is ridic profitable anyway) as long as he spazzes >0% of the time.

It kinda sucks when he flats the 3bet which his opening size indicates that he might do a little bit, but the kind of guy that opens to 3x is peeling way wider than he should in this spot and their tendency is to play very straightforward in 3bet pots so unless he flops good you'll win the hand with a cbet anyway.

Peel isn't horrible if he's been really passive and you can just win the pot whenever he doesn't make a hand but vs an aggro guy trying to get him to spaz 4bet is going to be way more profitable than trying to make a hand and trap the guy.
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