War Criminal?

[kukushkin88]

Has anyone ever been tried as a War criminal when they won a war?

Wisest words I heard for a long time.

It´s not clear to me what is wise about these words. In answer to the question yes, people have been tried and convcited as war criminals having been on the "winning" side in a conflict. 

Can you give one example of a British or American that has ever been tried and or convicted in an International court?

That´s a very different question to what was initially asked. Harbord Morant was a Brit executed by the Brits for war crimes in the Boer War. I´m pretty much with you on this one, the inequality and injustice displayed by modern international war crime tribunals is shameful.

[Geo the Sarge]

Let an unelected 'leader' instruct his forces to shoot unarmed civilians who dare to peacefully protest against him? Stand back and do nothing for them?

So why aren't we in Syria? Zimbabwe? China? etc.?

And whilst we are at it, would you then support foreign bombing of UK miltary personnel after Bloody Sunday in Ulster circa 1970?

Strange that someone who comes across as very anti British government should use Bloody Sunday as a case to make their point and yet refer to NI as Ulster. no?

Geo

[highmile]

Let an unelected 'leader' instruct his forces to shoot unarmed civilians who dare to peacefully protest against him? Stand back and do nothing for them?

So why aren't we in Syria? Zimbabwe? China? etc.?

And whilst we are at it, would you then support foreign bombing of UK miltary personnel after Bloody Sunday in Ulster circa 1970?

Strange that someone who comes across as very anti British government should use Bloody Sunday as a case to make their point and yet refer to NI as Ulster. no?

Geo

anti British Government or anti their world crusade at my/our expense whilst they plead poverty when it comes to looking after their own?

and the location where the Bloody Sunday massacre took place was in NI which is a major part of Ulster but not all of it.....or have I got that bit wrong?

[Geo the Sarge]

Let an unelected 'leader' instruct his forces to shoot unarmed civilians who dare to peacefully protest against him? Stand back and do nothing for them?

So why aren't we in Syria? Zimbabwe? China? etc.?

And whilst we are at it, would you then support foreign bombing of UK miltary personnel after Bloody Sunday in Ulster circa 1970?

Strange that someone who comes across as very anti British government should use Bloody Sunday as a case to make their point and yet refer to NI as Ulster. no?

Geo

anti British Government or anti their world crusade at my/our expense whilst they plead poverty when it comes to looking after their own?

and the location where the Bloody Sunday massacre took place was in NI which is a major part of Ulster but not all of it.....or have I got that bit wrong?

Yours and my expense has been paltry compared to some.

It is indeed, however it is strange to hear someone anti British government use the term Ulster

Geo

[Rod Paradise]

Let an unelected 'leader' instruct his forces to shoot unarmed civilians who dare to peacefully protest against him? Stand back and do nothing for them?

So why aren't we in Syria? Zimbabwe? China? etc.?

And whilst we are at it, would you then support foreign bombing of UK miltary personnel after Bloody Sunday in Ulster circa 1970?

Strange that someone who comes across as very anti British government should use Bloody Sunday as a case to make their point and yet refer to NI as Ulster. no?

Geo

anti British Government or anti their world crusade at my/our expense whilst they plead poverty when it comes to looking after their own?

and the location where the Bloody Sunday massacre took place was in NI which is a major part of Ulster but not all of it.....or have I got that bit wrong?

Yours and my expense has been paltry compared to some.

It is indeed, however it is strange to hear someone anti British government use the term Ulster

Geo

It might shock you Geo that it's not just the Fenians Tims who think what was done there was wrong.

And going by the argument used for involvement in Libya, any other nation WOULD have been justified attacking Britain at the time  - and our own Government has admitted the wrongdoing of their employees at the time - (obviously while keeping their names secret and not making them stand account for their crimes).

[Jon MW]

Let an unelected 'leader' instruct his forces to shoot unarmed civilians who dare to peacefully protest against him? Stand back and do nothing for them?

So why aren't we in Syria? Zimbabwe? China? etc.?
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I think Cameron addressed this directly, he said something along the lines of - just because you can't do something to help everyone, doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything to help anyone.

As for the Bloody Sunday issue - a foreign government attacking us for that would be like us attacking somewhere like China for generic human rights abuses, which is something that has already been pointed out that we don't do; so the comparison isn't really there to make. If it was a case that the troops had explicit instructions to shoot all peaceful protesters - then it would be more comparable.

[kinboshi]

When we going into America to stop their appalling human rights abuses where they turn their massive prison population into slave labour, or what about their illegal invasions and sanctions, or their support of illegal occupations?

On a serious note, the media seems to accompany foreign government interest in terms of which civil war/unrest to get involved in. Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and Bahrain were all of interest and yet Ivory Coast, Rwanda, Somalia Sudan, etc., don't really seem to be on the agenda. I can see why some governments avoid these areas (no oil there seems to be a big one), but why is this also true of the mainstream media?

[Geo the Sarge]

Let an unelected 'leader' instruct his forces to shoot unarmed civilians who dare to peacefully protest against him? Stand back and do nothing for them?

So why aren't we in Syria? Zimbabwe? China? etc.?

And whilst we are at it, would you then support foreign bombing of UK miltary personnel after Bloody Sunday in Ulster circa 1970?

Strange that someone who comes across as very anti British government should use Bloody Sunday as a case to make their point and yet refer to NI as Ulster. no?

Geo

anti British Government or anti their world crusade at my/our expense whilst they plead poverty when it comes to looking after their own?

and the location where the Bloody Sunday massacre took place was in NI which is a major part of Ulster but not all of it.....or have I got that bit wrong?

Yours and my expense has been paltry compared to some.

It is indeed, however it is strange to hear someone anti British government use the term Ulster

Geo

It might shock you Geo that it's not just the Fenians Tims who think what was done there was wrong.

And going by the argument used for involvement in Libya, any other nation WOULD have been justified attacking Britain at the time  - and our own Government has admitted the wrongdoing of their employees at the time - (obviously while keeping their names secret and not making them stand account for their crimes).

Lol,

Rod you know it doesn't shock me at all so don't know why you would want to say that, assume just to be argumentative. I agree with the above, however you already know that also.

Just bear in mind, I , unlike you, can and have see both sides.

Geo

[boldie]

It seems to me that we're seeing a 21st century repeat of all the old mistakes. Take out one "evil" dictator and replace him with others whom you just hope will turn out better. How has that worked out in the past?

I understand the temptation to promote a sweeping change of leadership all through the Middle-East (Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Libya, Syria.. etc.) but that doesn't actually mean that whatever will replace these regimes will be any better.

[kinboshi]

It seems to me that we're seeing a 21st century repeat of all the old mistakes. Take out one "evil" dictator and replace him with others whom you just hope will turn out better. How has that worked out in the past?

I understand the temptation to promote a sweeping change of leadership all through the Middle-East (Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Libya, Syria.. etc.) but that doesn't actually mean that whatever will replace these regimes will be any better.

...and obviously avoid Saudi Arabia and the oppressive rule there because we have some nice trade agreements with them.

[boldie]

Oh, BTW..Obv the "war" for regime change is illegal.

We know this as we were told this before the Iraq war.

[redsimon]

Has anyone ever been tried as a War criminal when they won a war?

Wisest words I heard for a long time.

Don't read too much into what I typed. It was a genuine question, not some stunning political point

[kinboshi]

Has anyone ever been tried as a War criminal when they won a war?

Wisest words I heard for a long time.

Don't read too much into what I typed. It was a genuine question, not some stunning political point

Wisest words I've heard for a long time.

[boldie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

this is also a bit of an issue for me (Though I understand the Americans' reasoning behind it)

[Ironside]

IF a war crime is commited on the battlefield the blame wouldn't of been camerons unless he ordered that action to be taken, it would rest with the person giving the order and those obeying the order, we all know Cameron is sitting in downing street ordering attacks on one convey or another, and he certainly isn't asking for civilians to be targeted in the fog of war civilians die, accidents happen, and one man's legitimate Target is another man's war crime