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« Reply #120 on: September 26, 2011, 08:06:58 PM » |
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In the Italy match I've got Gonzalo Canale to score at anytime @ 6/4.
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« Reply #121 on: September 26, 2011, 08:46:07 PM » |
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Slightly confused tbh, was just looking at this.
'Here is the cold maths. Should Scotland defeat England in Auckland on Saturday and deprive the Auld Enemy of any bonus point – ie they have to win by 8 or more points and prevent England from scoring four tries – they could still qualify for the knockout stages. If they score four tries themselves thus earning a bonus point in victory that would do the job'
Does points difference not come into play?
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« Reply #122 on: September 26, 2011, 08:56:25 PM » |
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4 points for a win isn't it? So if they win and we don't get a bonus point for being within 7 then we are level and it would go on points difference. It's not likely that they can catch up on points but if they get a bonus point for 4 tries they would move one ahead of us.
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« Reply #123 on: September 26, 2011, 09:14:02 PM » |
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4 points for a win isn't it? So if they win and we don't get a bonus point for being within 7 then we are level and it would go on points difference. It's not likely that they can catch up on points but if they get a bonus point for 4 tries they would move one ahead of us.
So its 4 points for a win right? Say they beat us by 10 say and get 4 points (no extra bonus points), were still miles ahead on points difference so we would still go through right? Team P W D L PF PA TF TA BP PTS England 3 3 0 0 121 22 17 1 2 14 Argentina 3 2 0 1 65 33 7 2 2 10 Scotland 3 2 0 1 61 43 4 3 2 10 Georgia 2 0 0 2 16 56 1 6 0 0 Romania 3 0 0 3 35 144 3 20 0 0 |
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« Reply #124 on: September 26, 2011, 09:24:38 PM » |
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From RWC site: If at the completion of the pool phase two or more teams are level on match points, then the following criteria shall be used in the following order until one of the Teams can be determined as the higher ranked: 1. The winner of the match in which the two tied teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked; Wouldn't fret Woodsey Scotland are terrible, team full of guys with very little natural rugby ability, can't see them getting within 20 points of England. (obv if they do win I will be all over this thread  ) |
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« Reply #125 on: September 26, 2011, 09:25:24 PM » |
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Yes. Realistically they need to beat us by 8 or more AND score 4 tries.
We would top the group with a losing bonus point unless Argies win by 60 against Georgia I think.
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« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2011, 09:26:13 PM » |
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From RWC site: If at the completion of the pool phase two or more teams are level on match points, then the following criteria shall be used in the following order until one of the Teams can be determined as the higher ranked: 1. The winner of the match in which the two tied teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked; Wouldn't fret Woodsey Scotland are terrible, team full of guys with very little natural rugby ability, can't see them getting within 20 points of England. (obv if they do win I will be all over this thread ) Fook, I hope you don't have a blinder  |
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« Reply #127 on: September 26, 2011, 09:49:17 PM » |
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Yes. Realistically they need to beat us by 8 or more AND score 4 tries.
We would top the group with a losing bonus point unless Argies win by 60 against Georgia I think.
No winning by 8 points is enough as we would have same points as you, assuming Argentina take the 5 points from Georgia. We would then go through as we beat you. Just realised I will be in Nottingham this weekend could be epic if we could actually pull out a performance.  |
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« Reply #128 on: September 26, 2011, 10:05:05 PM » |
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Yes. Realistically they need to beat us by 8 or more AND score 4 tries.
We would top the group with a losing bonus point unless Argies win by 60 against Georgia I think.
No winning by 8 points is enough as we would have same points as you, assuming Argentina take the 5 points from Georgia. We would then go through as we beat you. Just realised I will be in Nottingham this weekend could be epic if we could actually pull out a performance. Ah ok. Without wanting to sound arrogant i'm not too worried to be honest. Scotland and Wales both seem to put in big performances but have trouble seeing out big games so I'd imagine it will be close whichever way the result goes. It's a huge advantage knowing that a bonus point puts us through. In the final stages if we're losing by 3 or 4 we don't have to force it and risk giving away possession.....at least I hope we're smart enough to realise that. |
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« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2011, 10:15:33 PM » |
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Yes. Realistically they need to beat us by 8 or more AND score 4 tries.
We would top the group with a losing bonus point unless Argies win by 60 against Georgia I think.
No winning by 8 points is enough as we would have same points as you, assuming Argentina take the 5 points from Georgia. We would then go through as we beat you. Just realised I will be in Nottingham this weekend could be epic if we could actually pull out a performance. I've been giving all the Jocks some real shit on another forum I go on, gonna have to hide from there for a week if we lose as I'm gonna get it with both barrels |
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« Reply #130 on: September 27, 2011, 08:43:07 AM » |
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Hate to moan having had such an incred WC from a betting and enjoyment point of view but George Clancy is really really taking the piss here.
Edit: He did balance things up somewhat with a bizarre failure to penalise USA appropriately at the scrum in the second half.
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« Reply #131 on: September 27, 2011, 09:21:50 AM » |
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weeeeeeeeeee, the 100% record survives.
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« Reply #132 on: September 27, 2011, 09:34:11 AM » |
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SCOTLAND V ENGLAND PERMUTATIONS
If Scotland lose to England without a losing bonus point they are out of the World Cup
If Scotland lose to England with a losing bonus point and Argentina lose against Georgia without a bonus point, Scotland go through
If Scotland draw with England, they need Argentina to lose against Georgia
If Scotland beat England and Argentina fail to beat Georgia, England and Scotland go through
If Scotland and Argentina both win without a bonus point, it will come down to points difference between the three teams, though England are way out in front
If Scotland and Argentina win with bonus points and England do not earn a losing bonus point, England are out
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« Reply #133 on: September 27, 2011, 12:37:18 PM » |
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Anyone got any views on the Italy vs USA match tomorrow morning?
I think USA getting 22 at even money definitely represents value. It´s my second strongest bet of the group stages. Were you on? Just wrote a long analysis of tomorrow´s game but deleted it as it sounded a bit too cocky/pretentious. Suffice to say I think they´ve got it wrong again tomorrow, I´m very keen on Georgia covering 8 points. |
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« Reply #134 on: September 27, 2011, 03:03:14 PM » |
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Yeh I backed USA on the handicap but didn't help much as I backed Japan outright to beat Canada.
I'll follow the Georgia bet. Keep posting your thoughts.
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