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« on: August 31, 2011, 09:17:12 PM »

Having a really tough time with this game at the moment :-)
PokerStars Game #66822535030:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2011/08/31 16:04:09 ET
Table 'Giclas III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: B0U91V4L46 ($26.37 in chips)
Seat 2: Koncerewicz ($27.24 in chips)
Seat 3: megasterling ($11.26 in chips)
Seat 4: encja ($25.22 in chips)
Seat 6: AAroddersAA ($26.66 in chips)
encja: posts small blind $0.05
AAroddersAA: posts big blind $0.10
B0U91V4L46: posts the ante $0.02
Koncerewicz: posts the ante $0.02
megasterling: posts the ante $0.02
encja: posts the ante $0.02
AAroddersAA: posts the ante $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AAroddersAA [ ]
B0U91V4L46: calls $0.10
Koncerewicz: folds
megasterling: raises $0.30 to $0.40
encja: calls $0.35
AAroddersAA: calls $0.30
B0U91V4L46: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [ ]
encja: checks
AAroddersAA: bets $1.50
B0U91V4L46: calls $1.50
megasterling: calls $1.50
encja: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
encja: checks
AAroddersAA: bets $7.32
B0U91V4L46: calls $7.32
megasterling: folds
encja: folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
AAroddersAA: checks
B0U91V4L46: bets $17.13 and is all-in
AAroddersAA: folds

I am not sure if I should three bet pre rather than just call.

I flop top two pair and decide on that flop I am likely to be good so bet near to the pot. Not sure if this is good on that flop or not. Everybody calls, I think most people would raise this board if I am behind so I still think I am good before the turn. The turns puts a possible flush draw out but does not really change anything as no draws actually got there. I still think I am ahead and bet the whole pot and get just one caller. This really looks like a draw to me now. The 4 means that one of the str8 draws got there. If he has missed his draw he is not likely to have anything to call me so I check and he shoves? Should I be calling here? What other mistakes have I made this hand?
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 02:33:20 AM »

in my opinion you player the hand perfectly. river is defo a check as this guy had a draw 98% of the time and either has u beat or will never call your bet. only question is whether he hit 67 or he missesd 9T or some sort of pair-gutshot-spade draw.

In a vacuum (no reads) its a call as there are more things that missed than hands that hit, also you got more than enough odds for even a 50:50 decision. My main thinking would revolve around what I know about the player and how big balls they have, some many plo players just don't have it in them to bluff missed draws here. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 07:28:07 AM »

Pre...OK, call the raise...I probs fold but I'm a tight bastard in the SB.

3 betting pre is just wrong. When you asked for advise on PLO a little while ago it was pointed out that Position is everything. Remember this.

Flop, absolutely hate leading out here when betting in to 3 players.

Check-raise is much more effective to get people off their draws. Check-call to see if a blank hits the turn is also preffered over leading into 4 guys here (IMO)

River is player dependent.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 10:11:12 AM »

Pre...OK, call the raise...I probs fold but I'm a tight bastard in the SB.

WHAT? FOLD? you must be mental!! Never ever fold this hand it's far too strong, 3betting would be an option for sure but not something i'd do when i was 250bb's effective with the 2 callers and 100bb's vs the opener, could defo lead to some pretty awkward post flop scenarios, if it was HU or it it had gone limp, raise then i might consider 3betting but in this spot I call pre flop 100%.

Like the flop lead and its almost certainly how i'd play it but then i donk flops with a pretty high frequency as part of my general style anyway, the reason why it's good for us to have a range that donks here is that the majoirty of weaker hands will prolly chk back AA/KK/AJ naked 58 etc but chk calling is just horrible and chk raising 250bb's deep is an absolute no-no cos there is no way we should be stacking off here OTF, so just my default really I think leading is the best line.

I'd be leading for abour 3/4 pot as that's the betsize i;d want with my entire range as i'd want to call a flop raise with some parts of that range, this hand however i'd fold if raised otf or ott. 

like boldie says the river is kinda dependant on the player and your perception of his bluff frequency, if he never bluffs with 9TQ etc hands then I either jam or chk fold, if you think he jams as a bluff often then you could chk call.

I think at this level i'd just Jam
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