Tricky Spot

[George2Loose]

Thoughts on how hand is played out to river and what to do on river?!?!


PokerStars Game #67375369142: Tournament #437011257, $150+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (500/1000) - 2011/09/12 0:54:31 WET [2011/09/11 19:54:31 ET]
Table '437011257 109' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: LiMa171 (41168 in chips)
Seat 2: Bruce717 (35497 in chips)
Seat 3: RonaldKosh (42286 in chips)
Seat 4: TIETYMM (18703 in chips)
Seat 5: George2Loose (37572 in chips)
Seat 7: g.karolis (44786 in chips)
Seat 8: guimoura (18052 in chips)
Seat 9: Godfatti (7833 in chips)
LiMa171: posts the ante 125
Bruce717: posts the ante 125
RonaldKosh: posts the ante 125
TIETYMM: posts the ante 125
George2Loose: posts the ante 125
g.karolis: posts the ante 125
guimoura: posts the ante 125
Godfatti: posts the ante 125
Bruce717: posts small blind 500
RonaldKosh: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
TIETYMM: folds
George2Loose: raises 1000 to 2000
Ninco is connected
g.karolis: calls 2000
guimoura: folds
Godfatti: folds
LiMa171: calls 2000
Bruce717: folds
RonaldKosh: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
George2Loose: bets 4275
g.karolis: folds
LiMa171: calls 4275
*** TURN *** [ ] []
George2Loose: bets 10500
LiMa171: calls 10500
*** RIVER *** [ ] [As]
George2Loose:

[action man]

check/call

[muckthenuts]

Going for value seems v thin so i'm down for checking river. Any read or stats on villian? Check/fold this vs most players though

[GreekStein]

What trigger said

[jezza777]

Jam.

[SuuPRlim]

i'm in the chk/call camp

think jamming is a little too thin here, expect it to go chk chk a ton tho imo

[action man]

 It is hugley unlikely he has TT+ pre after over-calling with a shoving stack, id weight his hand towards 89s 87s 67s A8s A3s 44 77, its very unlikely that he will peel two streets with a hand like AJ, if he has 89/87/44/77 he will almost certainly fold if we fire again, if we check he may want to turn his hand into a bluff for some reason. I think we can check, and as long as his sizing isnt really strange, call. Check fold is far too weak and I just cant buy it in this spot. The only other alternative is to bet like 12k/fold hoping he calls with an 8x hand that he would simply check back if we checked. The problem with this is that we kind of turn our hand face up and give him an opening to raise/jam the riv, depending on reads that he is capable or not, i may take either line in game time. When we jam, the vast majority of the time
we aren't getting called by anything we beat, not without any long history with the opponent. In short, c/c standard bets, bet-small/fold  would be the two lines i'd be looking at

[muckthenuts]

Check/pray for showdown is clearly the optimal line here but i'm not convinced by check/call at all.

It is hugley unlikely he has TT+ pre after over-calling with a shoving stack, id weight his hand towards 89s 87s 67s A8s A3s 44 77

Why not a set or 5x? He likely wouldn't play them any differently.

If we check he may want to turn his hand into a bluff for some reason. I think we can check, and as long as his sizing isnt really strange, call. Check fold is far too weak and I just cant buy it in this spot.

What are examples of hands that you think would get to the river, bet the river, and that are worse than 99? 8x into a bluff is possible but most players won't be smart enough to do this, while good players will realise that this isn't a great bluffing spot in a $150 unless they have a read that George is terrible

[George2Loose]

Check/pray for showdown is clearly the optimal line here but i'm not convinced by check/call at all.

It is hugley unlikely he has TT+ pre after over-calling with a shoving stack, id weight his hand towards 89s 87s 67s A8s A3s 44 77

Why not a set or 5x? He likely wouldn't play them any differently.

If we check he may want to turn his hand into a bluff for some reason. I think we can check, and as long as his sizing isnt really strange, call. Check fold is far too weak and I just cant buy it in this spot.

What are examples of hands that you think would get to the river, bet the river, and that are worse than 99? 8x into a bluff is possible but most players won't be smart enough to do this, while good players will realise that this isn't a great bluffing spot in a $150 unless they have a read that George is terrible

Oh dear.

I did check/fold. I thought the river would go check/check so often that I wouldnt have to worry about him betting. He jammed. I tanked. I didn't see how he could be bluffing here as I am check calling so often but maybe I levelled myself IDK

Villian seemed decent if a little spewy. He went on to do a win.

[Rupert]

I'd jam, no one ever believes on As and villain will be getting 3/1

[AlexMartin]

I'd jam, no one ever believes on As and villain will be getting 3/1

yer this, villain has far too many bluffcatchers, jam>c/f>c/c

[NigDawG]

we have just over 1/2 pot left right?

i'd shove and do not think its even close

[action man]

meh, i mangled the hand by not noticing stack sizes, yeh id jam in this spot

[SuuPRlim]

if we had 3x pt left I'd fucking LOVE a c/jam

don't think it works in donkaments.