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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2011, 11:47:51 AM » |
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What's smallball about making it 2100?
i play small ball as general... i'm raising in the face of 3 serial limp callers op... i do not want to go to the flop 4 handed here op.. as stated this is all situational.... i think we all agree if im opening with no other action im making it 750-800... even if we play sball we still open with larger iso bets v serial limpers usually with position..but more so here cos we are op..this is standard play v weak serial limpers no ? QQ is massive but vulnerable post v 4 random who I know ranges include many A x and K x hands... The main point here is the situation because its quite early in a slow structure...i don't think i win the tourney here but i can lose it..and also the effect of when ur running bad u then start to 2nd guess urself.. |
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2011, 11:52:21 AM » |
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Raise less. 1500 is plenty.
Fold to the shove.
I don't mind passing QQ or AK with 50 bigs given this action.
Live to fight another day.
yeah think its a fold..slightly bigger initial raise as stated before because we are op to serial limp callers..this type of sizing usually gets the majority to fold enough to get hup or take it down Why do we want to get heads up or take it down? u want to take a flop 4 handed op with QQ ? |
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2011, 11:57:37 AM » |
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Raise less. 1500 is plenty.
Fold to the shove.
I don't mind passing QQ or AK with 50 bigs given this action.
Live to fight another day.
yeah think its a fold..slightly bigger initial raise as stated before because we are op to serial limp callers..this type of sizing usually gets the majority to fold enough to get hup or take it down Why do we want to get heads up or take it down? u want to take a flop 4 handed op with QQ ? Going 4 way makes it harder post flop, but if your trying trying to take it down preflop your not utilising your perceived edge |
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2011, 12:08:13 PM » |
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It seems incredible to me that the consensus here is to fold. His range is probably more like 8-8+, AJ+ and even a few suited connectors. He´s described as "standard station likes to bluff a bit and has the odd move in his locker" and we´re giving him a range in this spot of AA,KK and AK. We can just about fold here versus a real nit (still don´t like it) but against a player of this description it should be going in imo.
Disagree. Live donks might call 88 but for every one time this is 88/AJ type hand I expect to find 5 when it's AA/KK. |
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2011, 12:12:51 PM » |
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It seems incredible to me that the consensus here is to fold. His range is probably more like 8-8+, AJ+ and even a few suited connectors. He´s described as "standard station likes to bluff a bit and has the odd move in his locker" and we´re giving him a range in this spot of AA,KK and AK. We can just about fold here versus a real nit (still don´t like it) but against a player of this description it should be going in imo.
Disagree. Live donks might call 88 but for every one time this is 88/AJ type hand I expect to find 5 when it's AA/KK. with the luxury of hindsight and knowing the player ( even though he is capable of running bluffs and random acts of insanity ) i put Ak at the bottom of his range in this situation and that makes it a clear fold... if he got me off QQ with 5 8 os..meh good luck wp..i still have 50 bb to pwn ur soul with down the streets. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2011, 02:22:51 PM » |
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ROFFLE @ the 2100/fold manoeuvre.
Who is the wild type utg full of bluffs and insane moves? Guessing it's Alex, Banksy or someone like that?
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2011, 02:24:43 PM » |
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ROFFLE @ the 2100/fold manoeuvre.
Who is the wild type utg full of bluffs and insane moves? Guessing it's Alex, Banksy or someone like that?
oh god i forgot about you... ok...celtic, greeksy and chompy all banned from commenting |
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2011, 02:27:30 PM » |
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ROFFLE @ the 2100/fold manoeuvre.
Who is the wild type utg full of bluffs and insane moves? Guessing it's Alex, Banksy or someone like that?
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2011, 02:32:57 PM » |
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Definitely the key factor in this case imo. Need to know whether the maniac was an Avi type or a Banksy type?
2100!..."I rise dealer...make it two point one farrrrrrsand!"
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2011, 02:50:28 PM » |
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my initial post ITT seems really douchey - wasn't meant to come across like that at all, sorry.
it wasnt even relevant to the hand that much
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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 03:31:54 PM » |
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Easy fold against most in the tournament.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2011, 09:25:58 AM » |
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my initial post ITT seems really douchey - wasn't meant to come across like that at all, sorry.
it wasnt even relevant to the hand that much
LOL No Prob...we have all made douchey comments somewhere along the line... |
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2011, 09:26:42 AM » |
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Definitely the key factor in this case imo. Need to know whether the maniac was an Avi type or a Banksy type?
2100!..."I rise dealer...make it two point one farrrrrrsand!"
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 09:32:30 AM » |
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Easy fold against most in the tournament.
i came to this conclusion after the fact..... for the record after having a think i decided to call, get shown Ak..which I think is the bottom of our mans range now and see two kings flop .... leaving me crippled and exiting shortly afterwards... to show how good i'm running... last night i 3 barrelled into the flopped nuts and then got slow rolled by a limp caller who had Q 8 os on a J 8 8 2 rainbow board. He dwelt for a full minute before reluctantly calling.... the Q 8 hand is a nice example of our standard oppo's utg+1 limp calling ranges in these comps... |
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2011, 09:52:31 AM » |
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ROFFLE @ the 2100/fold manoeuvre.
Who is the wild type utg full of bluffs and insane moves? Guessing it's Alex, Banksy or someone like that?
oh god i forgot about you... ok...celtic, greeksy and chompy all banned from commenting Fml how am I in the rubdown camp? All I was saying is never talk poker with former blonde member Vincent Calenti. |
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