2 Preflop spots in 215 WCOOP

[SuuPRlim]

in hand 10 vs Iftari who's pretty dam good at holdem's you can expect to get called not far off perfect (prolly a little tighter than perfect given you are assumed unknown to him)

not saying its not a fine shove, just saying you need to give these moves extra thought when your likely to be vs pretty accurate calling ranges

[cambridgealex]

Just had a skype discussion group and these two hands came up. A few interesting things that arose were

1) Peeling the 3b with the A4dd?

2) Who clicks back the K8ss to like 52k then folds to a shove. We're jjjjjjust deep enough to 3b fold appparently. Looks ridic strong too.

[outragous76]

I peel hand 1  occasionally and it is villain dependant. I'm Playing 2012 poker right now so kept it to myself!

[railtard1]

I peel hand 1  occasionally and it is villain dependant. I'm Playing 2012 poker right now so kept it to myself!

peeling hand 1 is terrible IMO, but everyone plays differently.

Hand 2 > hand 1.

Like bram said, iftari does like to 3bet, but in such an obvious spot (him 3betting from the bb vs the button) i think he is 3b/calling a larger % of the time than you'd think.

[muckthenuts]

I peel hand 1  occasionally and it is villain dependant. I'm Playing 2012 poker right now so kept it to myself!

peeling hand 1 is terrible IMO, but everyone plays differently.

Hand 2 > hand 1.

Like bram said, iftari does like to 3bet, but in such an obvious spot (him 3betting from the bb vs the button) i think he is 3b/calling a larger % of the time than you'd think.

Agree and would be reluctant to open the button really wide since he's gonna 3ball so often but in this spot A4s is a little too strong imo not to go four to the inevitable three. 

[pleno1]

how about 4b/call instead of 4bjam in hand 1, he is a big mtt player and probs thinks ur a noob (no offence but anybody he doesnt necesarily know and makes a retaredly strong 4b he may fold some hands he initially planned to call ur jam with.

[Nico29]

Just had a skype discussion group and these two hands came up. A few interesting things that arose were

1) Peeling the 3b with the A4dd?

2) Who clicks back the K8ss to like 52k then folds to a shove. We're jjjjjjust deep enough to 3b fold appparently. Looks ridic strong too.

Firstly hate a peel with yr stack and the a4std, meh i 4b in his eye too here.

Secondly think 3b folding from 23bbs is a pretty bad equity spew, agree with others that dynamic at table is v important here, if villain has seen the a4hand play out i may nit up in this spot. Tbh i don't jam often in this kind of spot and maybe i should-interesting one.

[action man]

how about 4b/call instead of 4bjam in hand 1, he is a big mtt player and probs thinks ur a noob (no offence but anybody he doesnt necesarily know and makes a retaredly strong 4b he may fold some hands he initially planned to call ur jam with.

yeah i like this line, if he doesnt know, you, he could be planning to call a jam/fold to a click. Winner.

hand 2, i kinda like fold