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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2011, 10:00:01 PM »

For each game I assign players a percentage of their teams goals in order to price anytime and first goalscorer markets.  I currently have Rooney in for 30% of United goals in games he plays and Aguero in for about 26% of Citys goals.  vPersie I put in for about 33% of Arsenals goals.  So far Rooney has 9/7, Aguero 8/7 and vPersie 2/7.  At rate they are scoring at it is perfectly reasonable to expect United to score another 65 goals with Rooney getting 18 of them assuming some injury giving him a total of 27.  City could get about another 50 goals (ten higher than last year in total??) and Aguero would maybe get about 20% of them allowing for injury and resting giving him a total of 18ish and vPersie could get 30%ish of Arsenals remaining goals (assuming 50 in rest of games) giving him 17 in total so not sure I really agree with adnmdv's totals.  Aguero is obviously the difficult one because he could score a lot more goals and so could his team but the presence of Dzeko and Balotelli (and to a lesser degree Silva and Toure) means the goals and games are always going to be shared around a lot more.  Rooney tends to play a lot more and is, vitally, proven through a British winter as is vPersie.  Problem with vPersie is Arsenal look to be on a downward spiral and he is injury prone.

I actually think at 2/1 Rooney is cracking each way value at a quarter the odds first four with paddy power.  15 Goals will get fourth place in almost half of seasons and he is certainly no 1/2 shot to get 15 goals) and the win portion seems fair at worst.

I've a couple of minor quibbles with these numbers.
You have United to score 65 more for a total of 89 goals. That seems reasonable to me.
However you have Rooney scoring 18 of them instead of 19.5 (by your methodology of 30% of 65 goals) which equates to (if we accept United scoring equally throughout the 90 mins) Rooney having 2492 more minutes this year (+ 540 mins already played) for a total of 3022 minutes. That figure is too high for me. None of the top strikers (barring Darren Bent) ever play this amount of Premiership minutes. Rooney has a career best of 2923 minutes and averages 2461 minutes over the last 5 seasons.
I actually don't disagree much with your projected total for Rooney as I have him at ~25 goals in any case.
Secondly you have City scoring 50 more goals and Arsenal scoring 50 more goals? Surely that can't be right? Probably more like City 60 goals and Arsenal 45.
And you have RVP getting 30% instead of 33% (to accomodate injury/rest) of those 50 goals. That equates to RVP playing 91% of minutes in Arsenals remaining matches or 2536 mins (+ 606 mins already played) for 3142 total minutes. With a 5 year best of 2199 mins, that just doesn't look likely. In fact, it would be extraordinary. So I feel you're way overestimating RVP.

I totally agree on Aguero being the difficult one though.
I don't really know how to rate him, not having enough comparable historical data to base it on. Plus whoever is brought in to replace Tevez in the January window is likely to be top class and is therefore likely to be cup tied in the Champions League and is therefore more likely to steal minutes from Aguero in the Prem. Of course if City go out of Champs League, which is quite possible, then Aguero then becomes more viable again.
He has something like a 1 goal in every 2 games average over the last 3 years in Spain and doesn't seem to have had injuries in his last 5 years with 30+ league appearances in all of those years. Obviously he's already got off to a flyer in England and he seems to be the 1st choice striker at City. If his minutes hold up and Citys scoring holds up, I'd expect him to challenging Rooney all the way. But there are more question marks over him, no doubt.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2011, 10:09:06 PM »

Yeah - part of the problem with making assessments like this is whether you are comparing like with like.  My numbers in terms of percentage of the teams goals that the player is likely to score is normally a bit on the low side I think but thart is compensated because they don't play as many minutes as I assess if that makes sense.  The presence of Hernandez means that Rooney might be rested more now than he has been before too.  For vPersie i think he is very likely to play and score more this year as a percentage of the teams total than he has previously because, frankly, they have no backup.  That said the goal projections probably are off a bit.....it is really  hard to get an idea of how good/bad the two teams are.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2011, 05:09:21 PM »

I'm on ba @ 66/1 pre season top 4 each way.

With 4 so far i'm happy enough esp after a slow start. Was hugely tempted to top up as ladbrokes are still 66s top 4ew, but now i see stan james are 100s top 3ew-but mbn to have a stans account.

He's as low as 25's elsewhere and 100s is just ridic. Might just leave it unless i can get on with them though, hate taking worse.

One punt i've just had is a small ew bet on sturridge @80s with corals top 4 ew.

He seems the real deal, and Avb seems to like him a great deal.

With various questions over the other strikers at the club, if he gets a regular run i def see him hitting 20+ being a real possibility.

Price just seems wrong, mostly 33/40s elsewhere.

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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2011, 05:19:02 PM »

Sturridge isn't an out and out striker though which is obviously a massive difference?
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 05:36:22 PM »

Sturridge isn't an out and out striker though which is obviously a massive difference?

Well that could be why he wouldn't be value at 50/66's but is at 80's.

Pretty sure he can play anywhere but i could be wrong.

I don't like labeling players in a certain way anyway, if he plays every week with someone like mata assisting it's goal time for daniel imo.

It's just a small ew bet and is obv mainly based on the place value at 1/4 odds top 4.

Bar the top 2 in the market this seems wide open.
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2011, 06:56:35 PM »

I was pretty disappointed Sturridge didn't get in the Eng squad, he is going to be absolutely class very soon, like the bet.
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2011, 12:00:23 PM »

Bump - see you can have all your systems but sometimes it's about knowledge - currently 8-10s

Thanks for mail adnmdv - received, didn't top up any more - had a little at 25s so lik position now on at 10s, 12s, 16s and 25s
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2011, 02:53:06 PM »

Amazing form. Still can't see him playing a full season.
Hope Dzeko scores 5 today.
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2011, 03:49:12 PM »

Amazing form. Still can't see him playing a full season.
Hope Dzeko scores 5 today.

So he was the Bosnian you where talking about in the Lpool thread  Grin

I was slightly confused as he has been on a massive goal drought since his four at Spurs until recently. Suarez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dzeko.
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2011, 03:59:39 PM »

Yeh I agree. Just a big fan and got him for topscorer so even more of a fan now.
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2011, 04:04:26 PM »

Yeh I agree. Just a big fan and got him for topscorer so even more of a fan now.

I've not seen enough of him to judge, as for the question that was on there, I can't see anybody playing better than Van Persie is this season and this whole year, unreal.
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2011, 12:33:56 AM »

Happy boy tonight - although I can't help but be dissapointed didnt go with my heart and wade in at 25s, just had a £25 e/w top up.  Anyway, stay fit - if he stays fit in my book he is a certainty, currently 3/1 and sat on a nice few quid at 12/1, 16/1, 25/1
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2012, 05:36:08 PM »

I just like to bump this when I've done a few quid and he scores Cheesy
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2012, 10:00:40 PM »

What price is he now ?
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2012, 10:25:35 PM »

4/6 to Evens....still a bit gutted I took the expert advice and didnt really press up at 25/1 - but its few grand if he holds
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