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Quote from: cambridgealex on October 05, 2011, 03:22:40 PM
Yeh I mean the probability that you get 100 heads in a row is 7.88860905 × 10-3, so unlikely in fact, that you'd be forced to conclude that the experiment is probably rigged or the coin is biased.
The interesting thing is, this logic implies that if you toss any coin once and it's heads, the chance of the 2nd toss being heads is very slightly more than 50%
assuming your very long number is correct then what would you thing if the coin came down htttthhhththhhtthtttthhhhtthththttthhtththhhthhhtttththhththththhhthhththhhththtthhththtthhththhthth? the odds of this would also be 7.88860905 × 10-3, so unlikely in fact, that apparently you'd be forced to conclude that the experiment is probably rigged. or would you?
this is truly the worst game show ever btw. how do you win?
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Re: Another Maths Question
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Quote from: gatso on October 05, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on October 05, 2011, 03:22:40 PM
Yeh I mean the probability that you get 100 heads in a row is 7.88860905 × 10-3, so unlikely in fact, that you'd be forced to conclude that the experiment is probably rigged or the coin is biased.
The interesting thing is, this logic implies that if you toss any coin once and it's heads, the chance of the 2nd toss being heads is very slightly more than 50%
assuming your very long number is correct then what would you thing if the coin came down htttthhhththhhtthtttthhhhtthththttthhtththhhthhhtttththhththththhhthhththhhththtthhththtthhththhthth? the odds of this would also be 7.88860905 × 10-3, so unlikely in fact, that apparently you'd be forced to conclude that the experiment is probably rigged. or would you?
this is truly the worst game show ever btw.
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think you need a tails
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it's not a gameshow. sorry, just an experiment with an audience.
gatso thats obv not the same thing. there's nothing unusual about you're sequence so you wouldn't question the reliability of the coin.
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so what does the audience win?
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If the game show host is a tosser then he is Vernon Kay.
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Quote from: StuartHopkin on October 05, 2011, 03:29:15 PM
The answer is c)
The answer is clearly a)
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alex is correct. I take a coin from my pocket, flip it, and it lands on heads. I then do it again. For this second flip it is more likely to land on heads than tails.
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The coin has a better understanding of the situation than most. He understands that a coin flip is a 50/50 and refuses to give a sucker an even chance shot and decides to wait for a better spot
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c) Depends partly on the age of the coin too.
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Quote from: smashedagain on October 05, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
The coin has a better understanding of the situation than most. He understands that a coin flip is a 50/50 and refuses to give a sucker an even chance shot and decides to wait for a better spot
This.
Also your quoted probability is hilar wrong. You're suggesting that you will flip 100 heads in a row ~8 times in a thousand. It's 7.88 x 10^-31, or in the region of 8 in a billion trillion trillion.
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Quote from: skolsuper on October 05, 2011, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: smashedagain on October 05, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
The coin has a better understanding of the situation than most. He understands that a coin flip is a 50/50 and refuses to give a sucker an even chance shot and decides to wait for a better spot
This.
Also your quoted probability is hilar wrong. You're suggesting that you will flip 100 heads in a row ~8 times in a thousand. It's 7.88 x 10^-31, or in the region of 8 in a billion trillion trillion.
lol, i missed the 1 off the end oops, fairly crucial typo. I just googled 0.5^100
0.5^100 = 7.88860905 × 10-31
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yeah google is so smart. realised it was a typo after I googled it myself, still made me laugh that it went unnoticed tho
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Quote from: Cf on October 05, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
alex is correct. I take a coin from my pocket, flip it, and it lands on heads. I then do it again. For this second flip it is more likely to land on heads than tails.
Why it's 50:50
Simples
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Quote from: leethefish on October 05, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: Cf on October 05, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
alex is correct. I take a coin from my pocket, flip it, and it lands on heads. I then do it again. For this second flip it is more likely to land on heads than tails.
Why it's 50:50
Simples
cos there's a chance the coin is biased, therefore you should account that chance into the probability for the next flip. The only information you have about the coin is that it has just been tossed on shown heads. Therefore there's a chance its biased towards heads so >50% for the next flip.
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Quote from: cambridgealex on October 05, 2011, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: leethefish on October 05, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: Cf on October 05, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
alex is correct. I take a coin from my pocket, flip it, and it lands on heads. I then do it again. For this second flip it is more likely to land on heads than tails.
Why it's 50:50
Simples
cos there's a chance the coin is biased, therefore you should account that chance into the probability for the next flip. The only information you have about the coin is that it has just been tossed on shown heads. Therefore there's a chance its biased towards heads so >50% for the next flip.
there've been studies done that show that a coin that is heads up at the start of a flip are more likely to come down heads, same for tails. however because the general method of flipping involves catching it and then turning it over onto the back of our hands then it's actually more likely to come down tails if the last flip was heads (unless we turn it over first then the opposite is true)
this study becomes irrelevant if we let the coin fall to the ground as it all goes to shit when it starts bouncing around
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