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George2Loose
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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October 05, 2011, 03:46:28 PM »
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on October 05, 2011, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:33:06 PM
My thinking behind this is is that the 2 shovers are shoving out of boredom and the limpers are just playing bad (me included as I'm just passing time to get on the PLO cash action). If I shove I can make the limpers fold and then I
think I'm
flipping
to win a 40k+ pot. If I lose I've still got 40k.
Is this really flawed thinking?
In what possible case could this be true?
Even if they're shoving really wide (say top 35%) then you'll be about 25% vs their ranges to win.
Ok flipping is the wrong term, what I mean is that I don't think I'm up against any pairs.
How can you possibly know this?
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bobAlike
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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October 05, 2011, 03:50:12 PM »
Just my read of the players after watching them for 2 hours.
As it happens the best hand pre was A5.
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George2Loose
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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October 05, 2011, 03:55:04 PM »
tbh if you can't beat them, join them. If you're saying that the comp is soft and making calls with 52hh and then calling shoves cos of "value" then you are part of why this comp is soft.
If you're taking this seriously and playing it properly this is a simple fold pre *2
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nirvana
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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October 05, 2011, 04:19:07 PM »
I disagree with all the responses here, after 3 years of studying live play at my local I am convinced you have played this perfectly. I mean, you have them covered and that's a lot of money out there.
First call induces the shove action and gives all the implied odds necessary for the next
x
calls. People aren't thinking this through properly
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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October 05, 2011, 04:37:22 PM »
Quote from: nirvana on October 05, 2011, 04:19:07 PM
I disagree with all the responses here, after 3 years of studying live play at my local I am convinced you have played this perfectly. I mean, you have them covered and that's a lot of money out there.
First call induces the shove action and gives all the implied odds necessary for the next
x
calls. People aren't thinking this through properly
lol, WP
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George2Loose
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Quote from: nirvana on October 05, 2011, 04:19:07 PM
I disagree. I'd have proposed an 18 way deal where I get £26
FYP
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Quote from: George2Loose on October 05, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: nirvana on October 05, 2011, 04:19:07 PM
I disagree. I'd have proposed an 18 way deal where I get £26
FYP
ffs, will you let this deal business lie :-)
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George2Loose
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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Quote from: nirvana on October 05, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on October 05, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: nirvana on October 05, 2011, 04:19:07 PM
I disagree. I'd have proposed an 18 way deal where I get £26
FYP
ffs, will you let this deal business lie :-)
No deal
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nirvana
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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Quote from: George2Loose on October 05, 2011, 04:53:18 PM
Quote from: nirvana on October 05, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on October 05, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: nirvana on October 05, 2011, 04:19:07 PM
I disagree. I'd have proposed an 18 way deal where I get £26
FYP
ffs, will you let this deal business lie :-)
No deal
lol, v good
Apols for derail, will go away and plot next deal
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the sicilian
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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I know what younare getting at re: value.... But it's easy Fold all the way..play this comp abc..get a hand and value bet the arse off it..don't get involved any where else along the way
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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Quote from: the sicilian on October 05, 2011, 04:59:24 PM
I know what younare getting at re: value.... But it's easy Fold all the way..play this comp abc..get a hand and value bet the arse off it..don't get involved any where else along the way
small ball ftw
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Re: Fold, limp or shove?
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Quote from: celtic on October 05, 2011, 05:02:53 PM
Quote from: the sicilian on October 05, 2011, 04:59:24 PM
I know what younare getting at re: value.... But it's easy Fold all the way..play this comp abc..get a hand and value bet the arse off it..don't get involved any where else along the way
small ball ftw
Or do it like celtic... Get it in ridiculous bad and suck out like a porn star
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