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« on: October 05, 2011, 02:53:03 PM »
Local £25 HE F/O
Early stages, 200/400 no antes yet

Weakish table, with many players opting to limp pre.
I'm most aggressive on table with 60k chip lead with an average 14k

I'm BB
UTG limps with 4k behind
UTG +1 makes it 1200 with 6.5k behind
3 more players, including button and small blind call
I've got 52HH so decide to see the multiway flop half expecting UTG to push, which he does.
UTG +1 also shoves
Remaining players all elect to limp each holding between 15 and 19k

What do you do now?

My reading of the table is that no one has a strong holding.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 03:00:44 PM »
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 02:53:03 PM

My reading of the table is that no one has a strong holding.


This reminds me of the times when I've been called allin preflop by 56suited which has beaten my premium holding and been given the line "Sorry mate, I thought you were bluffing"

This can't be a serious question?
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 03:02:29 PM »
lol oh dear
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 03:04:55 PM »
Quote from: George2Loose on October 05, 2011, 03:02:29 PM
lol oh dear
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 03:12:19 PM »
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
Local £25 HE F/O
Early stages, 200/400 no antes yet

Weakish table, with many players opting to limp pre.
I'm most aggressive on table with 60k chip lead with an average 14k

I'm BB
UTG limps with 4k behind
UTG +1 makes it 1200 with 6.5k behind
3 more players, including button and small blind call
I've got 52HH so decide to see the multiway flop half expecting UTG to push, which he does.
UTG +1 also shoves
Remaining players all elect to limp each holding between 15 and 19k

What do you do now?

My reading of the table is that no one has a strong holding.


Huh?  Do you mean they called the shoves?
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 03:15:14 PM »
Yes they all called the shove.
Why lol and why not a serious question?
It was a really weak table.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 03:18:57 PM »
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:15:14 PM
Yes they all called the shove.
Why lol and why not a serious question?
It was a really weak table.

and you have  two hearts?
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2011, 03:22:43 PM »
Quote from: boldie on October 05, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:15:14 PM
Yes they all called the shove.
Why lol and why not a serious question?
It was a really weak table.

and you have  two hearts?

Yes, what I want to know is it ever worth calling or shoving when you are confident that nobody has a premium hand?
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2011, 03:25:52 PM »
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: boldie on October 05, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:15:14 PM
Yes they all called the shove.
Why lol and why not a serious question?
It was a really weak table.

and you have  two hearts?

Yes, what I want to know is it ever worth calling or shoving when you are confident that nobody has a premium hand?

No, and it's also not worth calling pre. If you want to get it in with rubbish at least have the decency to shove with it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2011, 03:26:17 PM »
Since no-one else seems to have a clue or given an answer yet, I'll be brave and give my answer.

I would do a fold at all points in this hand.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2011, 03:30:40 PM »
I'd have 3 bet pre. Now I guess you have to shove
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2011, 03:33:06 PM »
My thinking behind this is is that the 2 shovers are shoving out of boredom and the limpers are just playing bad (me included as I'm just passing time to get on the PLO cash action). If I shove I can make the limpers fold and then I think I'm flipping to win a 40k+ pot. If I lose I've still got 40k.

Is this really flawed thinking?
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 03:37:36 PM »
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:33:06 PM
My thinking behind this is is that the 2 shovers are shoving out of boredom and the limpers are just playing bad (me included as I'm just passing time to get on the PLO cash action). If I shove I can make the limpers fold and then I think I'm flipping to win a 40k+ pot. If I lose I've still got 40k.

Is this really flawed thinking?

In what possible case could this be true?

Even if they're shoving really wide (say top 35%) then you'll be about 25% vs their ranges to win.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 03:37:52 PM »
Chance 1 - Fold pre, Chance 2 - Fold pre, if it gets back round and it is like 17K more to win 80k then i think ahhhh, why didn't i just fold pre... and probs flick it in.

Never a fan of hearing "if i lose, i've still got x amount" its normally said to me once someone calls my AA aipf with  two hearts and gets there.

Did you call and win?
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 03:41:57 PM »
Quote from: cambridgealex on October 05, 2011, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on October 05, 2011, 03:33:06 PM
My thinking behind this is is that the 2 shovers are shoving out of boredom and the limpers are just playing bad (me included as I'm just passing time to get on the PLO cash action). If I shove I can make the limpers fold and then I think I'm flipping to win a 40k+ pot. If I lose I've still got 40k.

Is this really flawed thinking?

In what possible case could this be true?

Even if they're shoving really wide (say top 35%) then you'll be about 25% vs their ranges to win.

Ok flipping is the wrong term, what I mean is that I don't think I'm up against any pairs.
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