KQsuited, cash

[david3103]

This has been niggling at me since Sunday.

6 handed 50/1 at DTD
Straddled to £2, 1 limper
I have  on button and raise to £10 playing c£250

Straddle calls (c£200)
Limper calls (c£79)

Flop 

Checked to me

I bet £23

Straddle raises to £63
Limper shoves --- £79

The guy in the straddle seemed to me to be playing pretty conservatively to now - he'd shoved the river over a sizeable bet earlier and although he got a fold he did show the nuts.

T'other guy is youngish and has been pretty gambly with his chips and it feels like a biggish flush draw


WWYD and why?

[EvilPie]

I'd fold.

Because I think I'm losing.

[Ironside]

I'd shove cause I would think I am winning

[zerofive]

Not to state the obvious, but it boils down to what you think a "conservative" player is checkraising with versus you. Generally don't think we're in good shape versus a check raise, especially as he's not closing the action with a shortstack behind. 88 and 66 are a big part of his range, and if he has a flush draw it's likely to be that of the nut variety, giving him an over as well. Against someone more active it's probably okay to take a card, but in this spot I'd fold. Also I cbet smaller.

[George2Loose]

Open smaller too

[zerofive]

Open smaller too

George makes it 2.1x pre.

[George2Loose]

Open smaller too

George makes it 2.1x pre.

Limp obv

[JK]

Make it 8 pre (not that it matters that much).

Fine up to this point, do a fold now

[cambridgealex]

Pre is fine/standard sizing. 8-10 is fine. Cbet 16-19 though.

Not super happy about it but I'd shove now. So many combinations of drawing hands he can have compared to 12 combinations  of 66 and 88. 2 of his outs are probably taken by the other guy too. You have a backdoor flushdraw as well which does make a difference. It's possible that by shoving he folds AQ as well.

[zerofive]

Pre is fine/standard sizing. 8-10 is fine. Cbet 16-19 though.

Not super happy about it but I'd shove now. So many combinations of drawing hands he can have compared to 12 combinations  of 66 and 88. 2 of his outs are probably taken by the other guy too. You have a backdoor flushdraw as well which does make a difference. It's possible that by shoving he folds AQ as well.

lol George got two bites, ofc pre is fine.

The six handed table has brought out the combinatorics in Alex. Agree that the shortstack in the hand can have blockers to villain's hand, and was thinking about backdoor equity which probably includes the kingball, so shoving is kind of sexy; but from an ABC perspective, are we happy to get a a full BI three ways with tpgk?

[GreekStein]

Open smaller too

why?

I like the open

[SuuPRlim]

i'd play it the same and I think i'd go all in now although i'm not gonna be too shocked when he shows me Q8 lol

like alex says his range has a few more combo's of draws and Qx's "raising for information" than genuine C/R hands which are 66/88/Q8 and 68 and we now have the overlay of the other guys £80 vs whom we can assume we're golden and we might get it in vs shared outs which will obviously be nice

we got backdoor spades as well which makes a little difference.

lol@smaller PRE, minimum £10 imo we're on the btn with basically the nuts.

[muckthenuts]

Stick some combos of Q8 and every combo of 68 in there. Timing of the flop shove quite important too. I'm probably folding in game.

[pleno1]

making it bigger pre >>> making it smaller here.

[George2Loose]

I don't play much cash but we 10* here rly?