World flopped, are we happy with it now?

[cambridgealex]

2/5 live cash at DTD. Hero is playing £900 and is in the big blind.

Ajit raises utg to £20, Tom giveyourcash calls, one other caller, I call in the big blind with

Flop (£80)



I donk for £55, Ajit calls, Tom raises to I think £135 ish. Back on me.

Fairly standard spot to lead I think, I'd lead with all sets, 2 pairs, and decent draws. Sometimes some AJ, J9 gutshots with overs/ bd flush draws as well depending on how the table is playing/ gameflow, occasionally with Qx as well.

Ajit could be flatting a whole bunch of things. Qx, Tx, over pairs, all draws.

Tom has a really strong range here, minimum AQ imo, two pairs, sets and combo draws.

Are we happy raise/getting it in here is my question? Happy could be the wrong word, should we get it in here as played?

[cambridgealex]

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    45.236%     45.17%    00.06%             19230           27.00   { Kd9d }
Hand 1:    54.764%     54.70%    00.06%             23286           27.00   { QQ+, TT, 77, AQs, AdJd, QTs, Jd8d, T7s, 9d8d, AQo, QTo }

This is vs the range I'll get it in against.

Ajit folds almost everything when I 3b the flop. Tom probably raise/getting it in most of the time, but would probably fold AQ and maybe T7 so take down ~300ish of dead money when everyone folds.

[George2Loose]

Can't see any other option here?

[pleno1]

out of interest, do u have a 3b range pre here? if so, whats the bluff part made out of?

[AlexMartin]

how deep is tom? you can get put in a box here by a really good villain deep, a donking range can def get in trouble (just looking at value combos you will be willing to get in/ how turn will be awkward).

pretty happy to c/c as a standard 200beebs eff..

[SmbSmbSmb]

important to know stack sizes of ajit and tom for starters. let's say they have £900+.

2 things i'd instantly assume are that ajit isn't slowplaying and that tom has very little fold equity on this board (i think you've overestimated how frequently he's raise/folding here, particularly with AQ or T7).

given this and that it's a small raise, i don't mind you flatting. we don't have the nfd and end up getting it in badly vs this and you may also fold out any worse fds by 3betting the flop - especially ones in ajit's range.

so if we pick up the dead money here almost never, raise/calling it off only achieves getting in an unfavourable flipping situation. calling gives ajit (and, less so, tom) the chance to get involved with hands that have reverse-implied odds vs yours. if tom's raise had been larger i'd be more inclined to stack off now (folding's boring so let's ignore that).

overall though, can't go too wrong with gambling vs a strong range off the flop given our hand.

[cambridgealex]

cant remember how deep tom was actually, obv i wouldve known at the time lol

ajit had the world covered playing about 5k

[mulhuzz]

slide and pray.

[DMorgan]

Not a fan of leading here against a couple of players that aren't fans of the fold button (for different reasons obv).

The downside to c/c is obv that when you brick you can only really represent a v. thin value range as bluffs on later streets and probably won't be given much credit. I don't think you should put too much weight on that though given your laggy image. I don't know how good this Ajit guy is but its definitely possible that your flop line factors very little into his turn/river decisions and c/c is the nut play vs tom

[zerofive]

Not a fan of leading here against a couple of players that aren't fans of the fold button (for different reasons obv).

The downside to c/c is obv that when you brick you can only really represent a v. thin value range as bluffs on later streets and probably won't be given much credit. I don't think you should put too much weight on that though given your laggy image. I don't know how good this Ajit guy is but its definitely possible that your flop line factors very little into his turn/river decisions and c/c is the nut play vs tom

Not familiar with the our image/overall dynamics at a 2/5 table, but I do know that Ajit is basically terrible. You know that and so does villain. Basically Ajit is going to keep piling money into the pot however you play this hand, but it's crucial that we take a good line versus Tom.

[smashedagain]

c/c for me. did ajit actually fold on the flop? someone who aint a fan of folding sat with £5k makes me cautious, and someone as good as Tom raising your bet to £135 with his extensive knowledge of both his opponents makes me vary suspitious of the whole situation. err sure this is what sean says also

[Mondeoman]

In your calcs he can't have   .........you have a blocker to this.......
Apart from that getting in 180 bb with a non nutted draw v a tight player is usually a bad idea - you need him to be folding quite a bit here and by the sounds of it he prob isn't folding that often.

[Mondeoman]

Also wot about  7dXd and  AdXd hands?

[SuuPRlim]

make it 250 so Ajit calls and overlays the pot for us, call when tom jams, or if they both flat jam any non pairing turncard.

I think c/r is > c/c personally, not a huge fan of donking in thid SPECIFIC spot cos you can be in a complete coffin 3way OTT if we brick

[chatban]

make it 250 so Ajit calls and overlays the pot for us, call when tom jams, or if they both flat jam any non pairing turncard.

I think c/r is > c/c personally, not a huge fan of donking in thid SPECIFIC spot cos you can be in a complete coffin 3way OTT if we brick

I would make it like 350 personally. we surely cannot ever get away from this as played? I would have prefered check call in this specific spot but as played we surely have to get this in because as you say we are repping super strong here. People should be able to fold 1 pair hands we are marginal against.