Play along: 1/3 at the Vic

[edgascoigne]

We are playing c£270, no real hands of note to date.

Utg+1 opens to 15

A couple of seats along with we:

A) Fold
B) Call
C) Raise

We peel, as do 3 others inc both blinds. Pot is £75

Flop comes: J T 8 r (no clubs)

Checks to us and we:

A) Check
B) Bet 35
C) Bet 51

We bet 51 and are called by just the SB. Pot is 177.

Turn comes the  which is a second heart.

Villain checks, we:

A) Check
B) Bet 95
C) All in for c200

We check. River is the .

Villain bets 125.

We??

[rfgqqabc]

Played it fine, too strong of a hand to 3b and no reason to 3b an utg+1 raiser. Flop fine, maybe a little big but i see no problems with it.

Turn is ok, i think you'll still be in front so maybe it is a bet, but its hard to see what worse hands call and a 9x hand might bluff the river.

River is a call i think, i cant see how he has an ace and backdoor hearts/flopped straight are your only real concerns as all 2pair+ hands prob raise flop

[pokerfan]

We are playing c£270, no real hands of note to date.

Utg+1 opens to 15

A couple of seats along with

We peel, as do 3 others inc both blinds. Pot is £75

Flop comes: J T 8 r (no clubs)

Checks to us and We bet 51 and are called by just the SB. Pot is 177.

Turn comes the  which is a second heart.

Villain checks, We check. River is the .

Villain bets 125.

We??

fyp

No point giving us options then just saying what happened lol, sb stack ?

[edgascoigne]

We are playing c£270, no real hands of note to date.

Utg+1 opens to 15

A couple of seats along with

We peel, as do 3 others inc both blinds. Pot is £75

Flop comes: J T 8 r (no clubs)

Checks to us and We bet 51 and are called by just the SB. Pot is 177.

Turn comes the  which is a second heart.

Villain checks, We check. River is the .

Villain bets 125.

We??

fyp

No point giving us options then just saying what happened lol, sb stack ?

Fair point, figured I would stick it all in one post rather than release street by street.

SB covers.

[SuuPRlim]

as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.

[mulhuzz]

as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.

mmmm, like that extra 4% makes it really close?

I think I might even just fold pre readless, but as played I just try and get to showdown cheap, prolly have to fold this river.

[cambridgealex]

as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.

mmmm, like that extra 4% makes it really close?

I think I might even just fold pre readless, but as played I just try and get to showdown cheap, prolly have to fold this river.

Backdoor flush draws are super important when you're deep.

Fold pre? Are u mental?

[mulhuzz]

Backdoor flush draws are super important when you're deep.

Fold pre? Are u mental?

we're 90bb 'deep' tho? and my point was that 4% extra equity shouldn't really make you 'much more likely' to bet flops, right?

and yeah, against an unknown in a complete vacuum I might just fold pre. Anything that suggests that 3 other players will come along, or that utg+1 is opening semi-light will make me call ofc. I'm not saying fold is my standard, but from the info given I think fold a) has to be an option and b) isn't mental.

[pleno1]

folding pre to a 5x raise 90bbs deep is definitely not out of the question

[rfgqqabc]

If your folding pre with 90 bigs snap reload 1k more big blinds so you never have to fold such pretty hands pre again

[pleno1]

If your folding pre with 90 bigs snap reload 1k more big blinds so you never have to fold such pretty hands pre again

ja, this is fine ofc.

[edgascoigne]

Think folding pre with 90bbs is probably 'correct'.

But those cards are right next to each other and have the same shape in the corner.

As played I figured he's showing up with a 9 on the end a lot of the time assuming (correctly) I didn't like the ace...and called.

He had AJ, which figures.

[SuuPRlim]

as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.

mmmm, like that extra 4% makes it really close?

well basically, when spots are close like this we have to randomize our decision making somehow, as in we chk the flop a certain % and bet a certain %, so for me I always choose times with backdoor equity to take a more aggressive option

[muckthenuts]

folding pre to a 5x raise 90bbs deep is definitely not out of the question

+1

[DMorgan]

Don't fold pre, fold now though. He has AJ lol