Live £1/2 Flop decision vs a man and a woman

[Pinchop73]

I played this hand a few days ago in a Live £1/2 game.

A little history and backbround...

There are two Villains in this hand.

Villain 1 is a lady who has just recently busted a tournie that was running at the same time. Seemed to be enjoying the flips she was getting into a few hours into this £100 comp, stirring it up a bit with some commotion. Not saying she is a fish, maybe new to the game etc. Actually enjoying!

Anyway eventually busts the tournie and sits at my table. Very active, and has just been stacked by Villain no.2. In a 3b pot, she has called the lot off with a flopped straight. Has reloaded for £200.

Villain 2 I have played with lots. In the hand mentioned above, he has flopped two pair and gone all in, and has housed up by the river.

I have played one pot with Villain2 so far tonight. I have opened   in MP to £7, and villain in the bb and a n other have called. I've bet £14 on the   flop. Villain c/c the flop. Villain now leads the turn for £20. I wasn't expecting that, not a std tendency of his. I call. River comes   and Villain bets £40, which I tank and sigh call to be shown   . oh, THAT'S why you lead the turn.

In a previous hand to this, villain has 3b out of the SB to a button raise by a very competent reg. Has check raised a   board, and shoved 100bb effective on the turn. Competent reg calls it off, and shows   when the   hits the river. Villain scoops though with   .

I begin this hand with around £270 after topping up from the previous hand.

Villain1 straddles to £4, playing £200odd. In MP i find   and open to £14.

Folds round to Villain2 in the bb who calls, playing what must be around £800. He could literally have anything here.

Villain1 (on the straddle) now 3b's to £42.

I call. Villain2 calls.

Flop (£127)

Villain1 checks. Villain2 checks.

I bet £72. Villain2 grabs a massive stack of ponies and plants them over the line. Villain1 folds.

Hero???

[nirvana]

You've made this very difficult for yourself

[Pinchop73]

What I hope to achieve with this thread is not so much the confirming my thoughts on the decision to be made, but more on my decisions previous to this.

I decided to flat the 3b. I took my time to make this decision. I decided that there was much more value to be had vs these particular villains by calling than there was to 4b'ing. I knew that Villain2 would probably insta fold to a 4b (which, with stack sizes, was probs a shove) and I felt that Villain1's range was pretty wide too on the straddle so wasn't certain she'd call the rest of her stack off.

I know that a 4b keeps things very easy and simple, but I'd rather extract maximum value from the hand, and feel competent enough to do so against recreational players. Anybody feel that an inducing 4b would be better? Say to £96?

Villain2 had been on a massive heater all night. After putting me in there was much speech play, attempting to get me to fold. 'come on son fold your tens, they're no good etc etc'

Not unusual for him in the slightest, he's a real nice guy who plays for fun and enjoyment, loves the speech play.

My flop bet is too big for a board as wet as this is my feeling? Does anybody check behind on this wet a flop to prevent a c/r?

[nirvana]

Understood and I wasn't trying to be funny. Just think learning is about how the whole hand plays rather than one decision and I'm no analyst.

FWIW, in live cash I definitely raise bigger pre, definitely 4b, and as played I don't think I can fold.... and then probably head home

[Pinchop73]

I typed all that out before you replied sir! Don't take offence.

[nirvana]

I typed all that out before you replied sir! Don't take offence.

You b'stard !

[scotty77]

Even tho its a pretty sick board, one of the reasons why you would flat pre with AA is to disguse your hand.  Your hand is so under-repped here you can't fold.

You got like 150 back?  Nah just get it in....

[scotty77]

Even tho its a pretty sick board, one of the reasons why you would flat pre with AA is to disguse your hand.  Your hand is so under-repped here you can't fold.

You got like 150 back?  Nah just get it in....

Also if I were to 4bet (which I would be in a live cash game 110pc of the time) I'd go like 72.  Can't see them ever folding to such a small 4bet and gives more than enough room to do a jam

[muckthenuts]

Villian should show up with TT-KK, AK/AQcc most of the time. If he's made an optimistic 3b and got there on this texture ul but i'm not folding

[GreekStein]

I'm snapping rlllllly fast

[pleno1]

wp, call now.

[cambridgealex]

Even tho its a pretty sick board, one of the reasons why you would flat pre with AA is to disguse your hand.  Your hand is so under-repped here you can't fold.

You got like 150 back?  Nah just get it in....

Also if I were to 4bet (which I would be in a live cash game 110pc of the time) I'd go like 72.  Can't see them ever folding to such a small 4bet and gives more than enough room to do a jam

Nice to see you agree with yourself, Scotty!

[spence]

You set tarp and underrep your aces.  Guy ships on a damp but not horrible flop.  Money goes in.

It doesn't approach a decision point unless both villians have shoved in front of you and are now spinning on their chairs singing to themselves.

Pre is shrug - straddles don't love folding, but I see why you want to keep V2 in hand.  V2 ships on you - Gratz, mission accomplished.  Your money should be in the middle.

[Keylek]

wp, call now.

def this, your bet sizing is fine, wp.

might make it 16 pre but its fine.

And if you do 4 bet pre (I like your line better), you should not be 4 bet shoving imo unless you know villain has a hand he's calling with when he 3 bets. need to make it like 92, 96 etc.

[TommyD]

Personally I think you have to 4b pre, purely down to the information you have on villain 1.  I'd go far as to say not only have you looked a gift horse in the mouth but you have climbed inside and are now inspecting the intestines.  Everything you've said about her says to me she will call you.  She loves a flip, she's enjoying the game, she likes putting her money over the line.  She's calling such a wide range of hands that are mostly good for you with your hand (I think big aces and pairs make up the majority of her holdings right now) it's perfect to 4b.  I like folding out Mr Crazy Range and getting the majority of the money in the middle with Villain 1 heads up.

However if you want to bring them both in for a bigger risk/reward spot, fair enough, obviously not terrible considering the likely holdings but you have to see it out all the way and call now.