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« on: December 08, 2011, 01:46:12 AM »

Live £50 tournament. Blinds 200-400 R/A 25

Very decent loose (ish) aggressive player makes it 1100 UTG out of a stack that covers me

I'm next to act, playing 13700 and have and raise it to 2600. Folds round and after a small enquiry as to my stack size, he jams.

He will know I'm never 3 betting too light here, he will also know that I know he knows that.

I call here prob greater than 90% of the time but sometimes it's worth checking ones thinking. With over 20 bigs behind, what would you do here ?
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 03:20:42 PM »

I normally.... Call!
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 03:26:41 PM »

Well I'm not 3 betting to fold
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 03:38:33 PM »

Think less. Call now.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 03:51:21 PM »

Well I'm not 3 betting to fold
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 04:04:24 PM »

Think less.

This.

I mean it's just a totally standard spot/cooler. There's a bunch of these threads cropping up on pha atm (AK with 17bigs, should i fold? Or JJ 5handed - are we ever winning here?, that sort of thing).

People need to distance themselves from the result/outcome and realise that there are some things you can't do anything about and you're MEANT to go broke.

You gotta ride the rough with the smooth.

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2011, 04:07:29 PM »

We're raising to induce right?

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 04:14:47 PM »


He will know I'm never 3 betting too light here, he will also know that I know he knows that.


Why are you never 3bing a LAG light here?
If you're having trouble pulling the trigger on attacking his opens for fear of him shoving over the top, then this should be a double fist pump call as you crush a loose 4b range. 
If you think his 4b range is nutted and he's folding the vast majority of his open range here then you're turning QQ into a bluff by 3bing and should be flatting pre - or much more preferably hop into a time machine, go back a few orbits and start attacking his opens fairly wide so when he shoves on your 3b and you're holding QQ you can celebrate appropriately.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 06:39:54 PM »


He will know I'm never 3 betting too light here, he will also know that I know he knows that.


Why are you never 3bing a LAG light here?
If you're having trouble pulling the trigger on attacking his opens for fear of him shoving over the top, then this should be a double fist pump call as you crush a loose 4b range. 
If you think his 4b range is nutted and he's folding the vast majority of his open range here then you're turning QQ into a bluff by 3bing and should be flatting pre - or much more preferably hop into a time machine, go back a few orbits and start attacking his opens fairly wide so when he shoves on your 3b and you're holding QQ you can celebrate appropriately.

+1 to pretty much everything said here and to other comments.

I've tried 3 betting and a variety of options against this player in the past, frankly, he's had the best of it :-) May have led to the desire to just have a double check with a bunch of people I respect on here.

I was raising to induce and I called pretty quickly (but with a slight inner sigh rather than fist pump), as mentioned I'm calling here just about all the time.

Can't do the time machine thing in this tourn as had moved and seen about 3 hands dealt but I know the player pretty well.

I think his 4b range doesn't have to be nutted but it's gonna be pairs, AK against me I think.

My wondering was only inspired by the fact that he knows I'm very likely to call it off once I've 3 bet, which might suggest fairly nutted hands as you put it - it's not based on the outcome.

I haven't played a million hands on line so I think, now and then, you just want to check your alignment. Bizarrely, these very 'standard' spots probably cause me more thinking and I think thats due to the lack of a long term as such if you primarily play live.

Moreover, re-visiting really basic assumptions is pretty much the root of all learning
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 06:47:38 PM »

Moreover, re-visiting really basic assumptions is pretty much the root of all learning

Very true.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 07:19:51 PM »

I think jam, if he folds you're ahead, If he snaps, It's a lot closer. You could be flipping or crushed.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 07:40:12 PM »

I think jam, if he folds you're ahead, If he snaps, It's a lot closer. You could be flipping or crushed.

This is what I was waiting for, something I understand :-)
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