$11 MTT - Line Check

[mulhuzz]

First hand of Vegas tournament: Not really sure about preflop and river play. Flop and turn seem standard.

GAME #3880889496: Holdem NL - 2011-12-08 19:30:36
Tournament  (590706431)
Table Vegas Round 3
Server poker21.ipoker.com
 
Seat 1: R1pCheader (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 2: TGFx (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 3: f0xxxyx (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 4: KungFuDonk (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 5: THESMOKEDKIPPER (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 6: giddeskix (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 7: CharliesAnalz (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 8: OutOfNothing (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 9: 1hunter (2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 10: sureamfolding (2,000.00 in chips)
 
TGFx: SB 15.00
f0xxxyx: BB 30.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sureamfolding [ ]
KungFuDonk: Raise 60.00
THESMOKEDKIPPER: Fold 
giddeskix: Fold 
CharliesAnalz: Fold 
OutOfNothing: Call 60.00
1hunter: Call 60.00
sureamfolding: Call 60.00
R1pCheader: Fold 
TGFx: Fold 
f0xxxyx: Fold 
*** FLOP *** [ ]
KungFuDonk: Bet 142.50
OutOfNothing: Fold 
1hunter: Fold 
sureamfolding: Call 142.50
*** TURN *** [ ]
KungFuDonk: Bet 390.00
sureamfolding: Call 390.00
*** RIVER *** [   ]
KungFuDonk: Check 
sureamfolding: ?

Two questions:

1. Call preflop? Raising seems bad, folding too.

2. Check back or go for thin value vs KK/QQ on the river? Would he ever check-induce with AK or 77? Does he ever bet turn with KK/QQ?
 
 
 

[mulhuzz]

at the time we didn't know it, but we do now. This is a rebuy. How does this change your answer?

[pleno1]

river is in no way shape or form "thin" checking would be an enormous error. Bet and expect to win the pot without a showdown 90% of time

pre is ok/good, if its a freeroll I don't mind gambling unless its a 1r1a.

dont thnk he'd check too much to induce with better on the river because no missed draws and it looks like you have a pocket pair/ace and its a rebuy and wont expect you to fold.

[mulhuzz]

river is in no way shape or form "thin" checking would be an enormous error. Bet and expect to win the pot without a showdown 90% of time

pre is ok/good, if its a freeroll I don't mind gambling unless its a 1r1a.

dont thnk he'd check too much to induce with better on the river because no missed draws and it looks like you have a pocket pair/ace and its a rebuy and wont expect you to fold.

the other 10% of the time?

he never folds better and never calls worse, right?

[pleno1]

lol obv he never folds better but ofc can turn up with worse and call. Had to check hh again, you have AQ on A7Axx


-he bets twice setting up a river jam but doesnt go through with it
-your range looks like Ax or pocket pairs so he should never check big hands, 7x/pocket pairs willsnap check back whilst Ax will always call a shove therefore with value hands his check on river is really bad thereforeeee he should never have Ax otr but more likely to have big pocket pairs that will probably hero fold but call a small % of time
- because no missed draws he's less likely to put you on a bluff as he wont expect you to jam 9's here as a bluff

[outragous76]

pre good
flop fine
turn fine
river - id set them in in this particular tourney

[mulhuzz]

was obv second guessing myself.

did bet the river, he called with AQ as well.

should have just shoved, might have levelled himself into a fold.

[action man]

you got like pot size jam back on riv? shove is fine

[pleno1]

how much did u bet? how could u fold riv if he jams??

[EvilPie]

was obv second guessing myself.

did bet the river, he called with AQ as well.

should have just shoved, might have levelled himself into a fold.

There's no way he's folding. In fact he's not folding any A which is exactly why you should shove for value.

[youthnkzR]

always flattin p/f in the 1st few levels, played fine throughout... ALWAYS betting river when checked to (this isnt thin value)

[muckthenuts]

This is a slam dunk bet on the river. Value bets shouldn't work 100% of the time, and if someone does have this success rate they simply aren't betting enough. It's perfectly fine for them to go awry at times to ensure you're getting the most value in the long run.

[mulhuzz]

This is a slam dunk bet on the river. Value bets shouldn't work 100% of the time, and if someone does have this success rate they simply aren't betting enough. It's perfectly fine for them to go awry at times to ensure you're getting the most value in the long run.

i thought he'd expect me to not jam a hand like JJ that I was heroing with, so I bet like 500 or so (1100 total) and was not folding to a shove ofc.

[action man]

sick thing is, when u bet 500 you prob should fold to the shove

[pleno1]

sick thing is, when u bet 500 you prob should fold to the shove

lol yeh