Just a quick line check

[Rod]

Only my fourth hand at the table, no read at all. This OK?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $15.31
UTG: $11.01
Hero (UTG+1): $25
MP: $17.27
CO: $25.00
BTN: $13.40
SB: $29.33

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has  K:spade: K:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $1.00, MP calls $1.00, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.35, 2 players)  T:spade: 9:heart: J:diamond:
Hero bets $2.00, MP raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $23.10 and is all-in, MP calls $12.27 and is all-in

Turn: ($34.89, 2 players)  5:diamond:

River: ($34.89, 2 players)  7:diamond:

Hero shows  K:spade: K:heart:  (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 91%, Flop 8%, Turn 3%)
MP shows  Q:diamond: K:club:  (Straight, King High) (Pre 9%, Flop 92%, Turn 97%)
MP wins $33.16

[pleno1]

yeh this is bad, i would be trying to get to showdwon when he min raises the flop.,

Pre flop I put him on the following range that may raise this flop


Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    26.815%     24.60%    02.21%             11935         1073.00   { AcQd }
Hand 1:    73.185%     70.97%    02.21%             34429         1073.00   { JJ-99, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, KQo, QJo, JTo }


Now this is his calling range when you shove



edit: i put 10x in mre than jx but it doesnt make difference

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    22.792%     22.24%    00.55%              7047          173.50   { AcQd }
Hand 1:    77.208%     76.66%    00.55%             24286          173.50   { JJ-99, KQs, JTs, T9s, KQo, JTo }


Basically getting it in on these kind of boards vs alot of guys who peel in position is going to be a huge mistake, if we have  vs alot of players I just c/f, but because we do have decent equity and perhaps the best hand and want to keep initiative I think b/f is best on this occasion, when he does min raise, I call and c/f close to 100% of turns to "normal" bets and continue to any stupid small bet.

[GreekStein]

Rod there's a VERY similar hand (but at 10/20) posted in the high stakes nl/pl section of 2+2. Lots of good relevant comments in there that I'd take a look at.

This spot is harder than if you had aces imo (just because you have nut blockers and therefore an added draw) but I think bet/folding is prob best.

[Rod]

Cheers guy's thought it was bad tbh but felt that the blocker helped.

[cambridgealex]

I'd quite like a flop check here

[SuuPRlim]

nott sure about the 4x pre

3beting the flop is infinatley worse than folding, blockers not that relevant imo because of how hard this flop SMASHES calling ranges, even taking out every combo of KQ you're still under it vs a legit stack off range, it does however give you 4(well low visibility 4) near on NUT outs which is slightly relevant to continuing

[Rod]

nott sure about the 4x pre

3beting the flop is infinatley worse than folding, blockers not that relevant imo because of how hard this flop SMASHES calling ranges, even taking out every combo of KQ you're still under it vs a legit stack off range, it does however give you 4(well low visibility 4) near on NUT outs which is slightly relevant to continuing

OK understand where I go wrong on the flop here and why it's wrong, one question though if I can.

Why is 4x pre wrong, I usually 4x pre and add 1BB for every limper ahead of me. Is 3x better? Am I right to add an extra BB for every limper?

[mulhuzz]

'standard' would be 3x bb + 1bb per limper, but it's player dependent ofc, sometimes 8x is totally fine, sometimes 2.5x, etc.

In this particular spot, since you're getting called 4x with KQ, next time try 5x

[Pugwashed]

This is a flop where I'd be check/folding a decent amount when I miss so given how much we hate life when we get raised here, KK seems like a pretty good hand to check to try to balance for the times you're check/folding

[pleno1]

I think unless there is any rerason to do otherwise i prefeR

UTG: 4x
MP: 3x
CO: 3x
BU: 2.5x
SB: 3x
BB: -

If we get deeper and the table is very stationary and bad then I will 4x from all over and 3x the button, but more than 4 unlesss you're super deep is bad as you want to play more hands vs the fish and using a 5x strategy means you should tighten up a range therefore playign less hands vs the fish and the more hands you play generally the better your red line should be (non showdown winnings) rather than when you play premium holdings against fish and should generally increase you blue line (showdown winnings) as they don't fold and we just go for streets of pure value.