Citeh vs LFC a question for the 'neutrals'

[pleno1]

Describing Collocini as "good" is the biggest understatement of the year, he has been the best defender in the premiership bar absolutely none.

I take it you're a Newcastle fan?  

Christ, just got to the bit about Tiote and Cabaye being the best partnership in the league.

Oh dear.

Edit: Fuck me, just read it all.

Given what you've said Pleno

Your team is:

Krul

X X Collocini X
Ben Arfa Tiote Cabaye X
Ba X

So you're effectively 5 good players away from having the best team in the league? What a load of rubbish.

Also, as for the meanest defence bollocks, the following teams have a better defensive record than you lot in the league this season:

Man City
Man Utd
Spurs
Liverpool
Sunderland
Everton
Swansea

Whilst Chelsea have conceded exactly the same amount of goals.

I only pointed out things I disagreed with Camel.

We have Jonas who is such an important player to the team and adds pace/power and defensive cover to our defence. So put him in the X.

We have Davide Santon (Italian u21 captain and already played numerous times for Italy which is hard to do when you're only 20) who has been MOTM everytime he has played and has been described by Jose Mourinho as PHENOMINAL and ONE OF THE BEST I'VE EVER WORKED WITH. Many other "neutrals" on here have commented on him icluding Maldini who is known to have a good understanding.

So we now have 7 stars? not bad for a team that a manager should receive freedom of the city if he manages to keep us in the top half.

I'm unsure why the Cabaye/Tiote thing upsets you so much? Could you name a better partnership? Giggs/Carrick? Nah. Merieles/Romeu? Nah. Barry/Toure? Nah. Adam/Henderson? Nah.

Squad Players

Guthire
Ryan Taylor
Best
Shola
Williamson
Obertan

Can all add something to the squad.

By the way we have done all this by spending less money than we've received from transfers.

We have the best scouting system in the country, by what Camel says, we have one of the best managers in the country, we have one of if not the best striker in the country, we have without doubt the best defender in the country, we have one of if not the best goalkeeper in the country who should stay here for the next 10 years and we have one of if not the best central midfield partnerships in the country.

Regarding the goals conceded, you are absolutely correct although we conceded the bulk of our goals (4 vs norwich, 3 vs west brom) with a comedy back line due to injurys. Hopefully Ashley will bring in some players to make sure this doesn't happen in the future.

[pleno1]

as a football socut and an opinion i respect, what exactly do you disagree with?

[TheChipPrince]

as a football socut and an opinion i respect, what exactly do you disagree with?

Has Colocinni really been the best DEF in the country this season?  Better than Kompany?  I can't disagree to the point of an argument over it as I don't see enough Prem games or Newcastle games.   

Is Ben Arfa really the most talented player in the Prem, even when he gets 100% fit?  I think if I asked 10 random football fans not one would have him in their top 5.  He may prove to be decent of course, but done diddly squat so far, injury being the reason of course.

The meanest defence?  Have I read the table wrong or do you have like the 6/7th best defence?

Tiote/Cabaye are the 'best cen mid pairing' in the Prem?  Better than Toure & Silva? 

Krul has had a great season as is probably the most improved keeper, but is he better than Reina/Hart?

All imo

[chatban]

When you wrote 7 stars I giggled.
When you listed 'squad players who wouldn't (and some didn't) look out of place in the championship I laughed
When you  said your pairing is better than Toure/Barry I gasped.

[Solaris]

I only pointed out things I disagreed with Camel.

We have Jonas who is such an important player to the team and adds pace/power and defensive cover to our defence. So put him in the X.

We have Davide Santon (Italian u21 captain and already played numerous times for Italy which is hard to do when you're only 20) who has been MOTM everytime he has played and has been described by Jose Mourinho as PHENOMINAL and ONE OF THE BEST I'VE EVER WORKED WITH. Many other "neutrals" on here have commented on him icluding Maldini who is known to have a good understanding.

So we now have 7 stars? not bad for a team that a manager should receive freedom of the city if he manages to keep us in the top half.

I'm unsure why the Cabaye/Tiote thing upsets you so much? Could you name a better partnership? Giggs/Carrick? Nah. Merieles/Romeu? Nah. Barry/Toure? Nah. Adam/Henderson? Nah.

Squad Players

Guthire
Ryan Taylor
Best
Shola
Williamson
Obertan

Can all add something to the squad.

By the way we have done all this by spending less money than we've received from transfers.

We have the best scouting system in the country, by what Camel says, we have one of the best managers in the country, we have one of if not the best striker in the country, we have without doubt the best defender in the country, we have one of if not the best goalkeeper in the country who should stay here for the next 10 years and we have one of if not the best central midfield partnerships in the country.

Regarding the goals conceded, you are absolutely correct although we conceded the bulk of our goals (4 vs norwich, 3 vs west brom) with a comedy back line due to injurys. Hopefully Ashley will bring in some players to make sure this doesn't happen in the future.

I count 8 stars. I'm an Arsenal fan and I don't think we have 8 stars. Then again I'm a bit more realistic about just how good my team are...

Pleno, if every quote attributable to any young player coming through was true, then we'd have had 20 Maradona's by now, 10 more Messi's etc etc. Fact is Inter were happy to let Santon go, so let's not get too far ahead of ourselves with him, eh?

The thing with the Tiote/Cabaye thing is that in order to be completely fair, you have to compare it with midfield trios too as some teams use that. You can't simply pick Barry and Toure out as they're part of a 3 man midfield. In any case, I'd have Man City's, Arsenal's and Spurs' midfield trios over your duo.

Best scouting networks? Was this the one that sent you down, or a new one? Best manager? Isn't this the manager fired from Charlton and Southampton? You're starting to sound like a Liverpool fan. For years they've had the best players in every position yet funnily enough never finished top.

We're halfway through the season and after a blistering start you've dropped off the pace somewhat. You're a good side without being much more than that. I expect you to finish 7th or 8th which would be a fantastic achievement. Leave it at that rather than making ridiculous posts telling us how you've got 8 of the best players in the league, perhaps?

[bobby1]

Gonna admit Newcastle are half-decent yet Keith?

One good player, who is going to leave in the transfer window, doesn't make Newcastle a good team Floppy!

Who is that then?

Ba obv.

Honest opinion about Newcastle is that Pardew has got them super fit. They run til the 90th minute and are very dangerous in the last 10 minutes of games.

Dropping Obertain has definitely improved the side, and Krul has been a pleasant surprise. Collocini has been good, definitely proved me wrong. And I have never seen a winger work as hard as Jonas does. Shame his end product doesn't match his effort.

However, you are still in a false position imo, not enough quality in the side, far too reliant on Ba's goals. Danny Simpson and Ryan Taylor + whoever plays alongside Demba aren't premiership standard.

Top half finish and Pardew deserves the freedom of the cty imo.

Hi Keith,

I'm going to bite.

Little bit confused about your post here. How much of Newcastle have you seen this year?

I think you are missing out on one big piece of info here which is that there are ALOT of bad teams in the Prem this year. I think that if Pardew didn't manage to get us a top half finish he should seriously take a hard look at himself. I think anything less than 9th would be a huge underachievement.

Describing Collocini as "good" is the biggest understatement of the year, he has been the best defender in the premiership bar absolutely none.

Cabaye was without doubt the best buy in the summer, remember we bought him for 5m Euro's. Alongside Tiote they are the best midfield pairing in the premiership and compliment eachothers game fantastically. They would both get in any other side in the premiership. City included.

Yes Ba is good, but again that was a great buy that allowed us to spend money on other players.

Confused about the criticism of both Danny Simpson and Ryan Taylor they have both been almost ever present in the meanest defence in the country over the last 4 months. Simpson throws his body on the line and wins us points just like Ba does, I'm not sure if you saw the Man United match, but Simpsons clearance at 2-0 with 20 minutes to go was just as important for gaining 3 points as Ba's goal was in the first half.

We also have the best keeper in the premiership at the moment.

We also have Ben Arfa who is arguably the most talented player in the premiership who showed last week that he is coming back to his best and scored a goal that Messi would wank over.

With our policy of only buying players under 26, the future at NUFC looks extremely bright.

blimey....

The single biggest mistake all football fans make imo is massively overrating the players they see play most often but I have never seen someone do it that extent.

[pleno1]

I only pointed out things I disagreed with Camel.

We have Jonas who is such an important player to the team and adds pace/power and defensive cover to our defence. So put him in the X.

We have Davide Santon (Italian u21 captain and already played numerous times for Italy which is hard to do when you're only 20) who has been MOTM everytime he has played and has been described by Jose Mourinho as PHENOMINAL and ONE OF THE BEST I'VE EVER WORKED WITH. Many other "neutrals" on here have commented on him icluding Maldini who is known to have a good understanding.

So we now have 7 stars? not bad for a team that a manager should receive freedom of the city if he manages to keep us in the top half.

I'm unsure why the Cabaye/Tiote thing upsets you so much? Could you name a better partnership? Giggs/Carrick? Nah. Merieles/Romeu? Nah. Barry/Toure? Nah. Adam/Henderson? Nah.

Squad Players

Guthire
Ryan Taylor
Best
Shola
Williamson
Obertan

Can all add something to the squad.

By the way we have done all this by spending less money than we've received from transfers.

We have the best scouting system in the country, by what Camel says, we have one of the best managers in the country, we have one of if not the best striker in the country, we have without doubt the best defender in the country, we have one of if not the best goalkeeper in the country who should stay here for the next 10 years and we have one of if not the best central midfield partnerships in the country.

Regarding the goals conceded, you are absolutely correct although we conceded the bulk of our goals (4 vs norwich, 3 vs west brom) with a comedy back line due to injurys. Hopefully Ashley will bring in some players to make sure this doesn't happen in the future.

I count 8 stars. I'm an Arsenal fan and I don't think we have 8 stars. Then again I'm a bit more realistic about just how good my team are...

Pleno, if every quote attributable to any young player coming through was true, then we'd have had 20 Maradona's by now, 10 more Messi's etc etc. Fact is Inter were happy to let Santon go, so let's not get too far ahead of ourselves with him, eh?

The thing with the Tiote/Cabaye thing is that in order to be completely fair, you have to compare it with midfield trios too as some teams use that. You can't simply pick Barry and Toure out as they're part of a 3 man midfield. In any case, I'd have Man City's, Arsenal's and Spurs' midfield trios over your duo.

Best scouting networks? Was this the one that sent you down, or a new one? Best manager? Isn't this the manager fired from Charlton and Southampton? You're starting to sound like a Liverpool fan. For years they've had the best players in every position yet funnily enough never finished top.

We're halfway through the season and after a blistering start you've dropped off the pace somewhat. You're a good side without being much more than that. I expect you to finish 7th or 8th which would be a fantastic achievement. Leave it at that rather than making ridiculous posts telling us how you've got 8 of the best players in the league, perhaps?

Well we both are so sure, lets bet on Newcastle finishing in the top half?

[pleno1]

Gonna admit Newcastle are half-decent yet Keith?

One good player, who is going to leave in the transfer window, doesn't make Newcastle a good team Floppy!

Who is that then?

Ba obv.

Honest opinion about Newcastle is that Pardew has got them super fit. They run til the 90th minute and are very dangerous in the last 10 minutes of games.

Dropping Obertain has definitely improved the side, and Krul has been a pleasant surprise. Collocini has been good, definitely proved me wrong. And I have never seen a winger work as hard as Jonas does. Shame his end product doesn't match his effort.

However, you are still in a false position imo, not enough quality in the side, far too reliant on Ba's goals. Danny Simpson and Ryan Taylor + whoever plays alongside Demba aren't premiership standard.

Top half finish and Pardew deserves the freedom of the cty imo.

Hi Keith,

I'm going to bite.

Little bit confused about your post here. How much of Newcastle have you seen this year?

I think you are missing out on one big piece of info here which is that there are ALOT of bad teams in the Prem this year. I think that if Pardew didn't manage to get us a top half finish he should seriously take a hard look at himself. I think anything less than 9th would be a huge underachievement.

Describing Collocini as "good" is the biggest understatement of the year, he has been the best defender in the premiership bar absolutely none.

Cabaye was without doubt the best buy in the summer, remember we bought him for 5m Euro's. Alongside Tiote they are the best midfield pairing in the premiership and compliment eachothers game fantastically. They would both get in any other side in the premiership. City included.

Yes Ba is good, but again that was a great buy that allowed us to spend money on other players.

Confused about the criticism of both Danny Simpson and Ryan Taylor they have both been almost ever present in the meanest defence in the country over the last 4 months. Simpson throws his body on the line and wins us points just like Ba does, I'm not sure if you saw the Man United match, but Simpsons clearance at 2-0 with 20 minutes to go was just as important for gaining 3 points as Ba's goal was in the first half.

We also have the best keeper in the premiership at the moment.

We also have Ben Arfa who is arguably the most talented player in the premiership who showed last week that he is coming back to his best and scored a goal that Messi would wank over.

With our policy of only buying players under 26, the future at NUFC looks extremely bright.

blimey....

The single biggest mistake all football fans make imo is massively overrating the players they see play most often but I have never seen someone do it that extent.

Again instead of general trolololol bad post, pick our a quote and we can debate rather than argue or ridicule.

[Solaris]

Regarding the goals conceded, you are absolutely correct although we conceded the bulk of our goals (4 vs norwich, 3 vs west brom) with a comedy back line due to injurys. Hopefully Ashley will bring in some players to make sure this doesn't happen in the future.

Forgot to address this.

Pleno, you can't chop and change a statement in order to help it fit your argument. Football is a squad game, we (Arsenal fan here) have the following players out injured: Djourou, Sagna, Gibbs, Jenkinson, Coquelin, Vermaelen and Santos. We do not have recognised full backs, but that is not an excuse as football is a squad game.

You can't therefore take out two results in order to help make your point. In fact, in order to be fair, you can take those two results away and I'll take the 8 goals and 4 goals United and Blackburn put past us respectively.

Just so you know, we'd be on 16 goals whilst you'd be on 18 goals conceded. And we all know how dodgy the Arsenal defence is, eh?

[pleno1]

Well we both are so sure, lets bet on Newcastle finishing in the top half?

[chatban]

Mother always said never argue with someone who wont change their mind!

Where do you think your best 11 ranks in the prem?

[Solaris]

Well we both are so sure, lets bet on Newcastle finishing in the top half?

I said, quite clearly, that I expect you to finish 7th or 8th, so why would I possibly take that bet? Unless of course you think you'll finish in the bottom half?

The point I'm trying to make is you're clearly very misty-eyed when it comes to your club as you've pretty much made out that 7 of the first starting XI are the best players in their position in the country.

That my friend, is a load of shite.

[pleno1]

Mother always said never argue with someone who wont change their mind!

Where do you think your best 11 ranks in the prem?

7th.

[bobby1]

They have been done above, you are entitled to your opinion on your team but you do not have the best defender, or midfield pairing in the Prem. You don't have the best defence.

Trust me, If David Santon was that good Mourinho would have him in his squad. Newcastle are a good team tho and the manager and most importantly given the stick he was getting the Chairman have done a very good job in getting big wage earners off the wage bill and signing top value players to replace them. Tiote, Cabaye and Ba are all very good, you have simply over rated them in the grand scheme.

[mondatoo]

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