KK hand in DTD deepstack

[garage flower]

My overdue first post after being long-time lurker.  Not an especially interesting hand, but one I made a note of during my first ever deepstack last week.

Don't think there was any relevant history between me and the villain and both of us have a reasonably TAG image.

Blinds 300/600 a50, I'm effective stack with approx 28-29k.  Villain raised previous hand UTG+2 and took it down pre or with c-bet having been quiet for a while.

pre flop
Villain (UTG+1) raises to 1,200
Hero (UTG+3) 3 bets to 3,200; villain calls   [EDIT: just to make it clear, I had KK]

flop
10c,9c,7h

check, check (my check partly for pot control, partly deception)

turn
10,9,7,10h

villain leads for 4k into approx 7,700 pot; hero calls

river
10,9,7,10,

villain leads for 8k into approx 15,700 pot; hero?

Thoughts on villain's likely holding and my play to date would be much appreciated.
 

[muckthenuts]

Think the flop check can be ok, but i'm not totally sure about that one.

I know i'd fold river though. 

[cambridgealex]

check back the flop is fine/standard.

turn is fine obv.

river is a pretty easy fold, this is the worst card in the deck, as i'm sure you're aware. You lose to so many hands that villain could have and he's almost never vbetting worse/bluffing.

[MANTIS01]

Well presented and clear first pha post, wd.

I think you miss value and complicate the hand for yourself in your first comp. With 28-29k at 300/600 we aren't massive so I prefer 4x the ep open to 4,800 in live donkathon and wouldn't expect it to affect the decision of villain one bit. Then you go to flop with 11k in the middle and 24k stack behind so you can normal cbet and see if villain wants to shove his pairs and draws. Checking back misses value with a massive hand and you don't ask villain to make any mistakes. I wouldn't be seeking pot control and deception with 3bet kings in a live comp relatively shallow.

[George2Loose]

Well presented and clear first pha post, wd.

I think you miss value and complicate the hand for yourself in your first comp. With 28-29k at 300/600 we aren't massive so I prefer 4x the ep open to 4,800 in live donkathon and wouldn't expect it to affect the decision of villain one bit. Then you go to flop with 11k in the middle and 24k stack behind so you can normal cbet and see if villain wants to shove his pairs and draws. Checking back misses value with a massive hand and you don't ask villain to make any mistakes. I wouldn't be seeking pot control and deception with 3bet kings in a live comp relatively shallow.

 

[the sicilian]

Not sure I like the flop check however there is a case to controlling the pot but it also gives the chance for a horrific card to drop on the turn. on the turn he could be trying to pick it up as u shown weakness on the flop afte 3 betting...pos with AJ that random live donks like to call rraises  op with.... Although more likely a set that housed up possibly the 8 on the river...but  by  the river we can only beat a serious random bluff.

[George2Loose]

I check back this flop a lot simply because I'm not happy getting it in here and opponent may make us play for stacks. I think if u folded river u played it well

[the sicilian]

I check back this flop a lot simply because I'm not happy getting it in here and opponent may make us play for stacks. I think if u folded river u played it well

Yeah was in back of my mind what happens if check shoves the flop.....Mark of a good player be able to fold ..correctly... Big overs on obv boards..easy in principle but at the time u always hate to give it up

[MANTIS01]

I hope he does check shove the flop. When you normal c-bet into 11k you've manufactured an ideal SPR check jam situation for villain in a big pot he'll want to win. In so doing you try to max value from your big hand in live comp where mistakes will be rife. If I had 100+bbs I might pot control but here the river pot is as big as your remaining stack after just 2 half-pot bets. Too shallow for fancy dan deception bollocks imo. One thing I would say thou is in your op you've used card icon just on river and I think it's pretty to use card icons for all cards.

[George2Loose]

How is checking for pot control "fancy dan"? I've explained my reasons for not wanting to bet flop. Don't see how this is fps. Opponent is described as solid. If he wants to get it in on this flop we are probably flipping at best

[sm00035]

Well presented and clear first pha post, wd.

I think you miss value and complicate the hand for yourself in your first comp. With 28-29k at 300/600 we aren't massive so I prefer 4x the ep open to 4,800 in live donkathon and wouldn't expect it to affect the decision of villain one bit. Then you go to flop with 11k in the middle and 24k stack behind so you can normal cbet and see if villain wants to shove his pairs and draws. Checking back misses value with a massive hand and you don't ask villain to make any mistakes. I wouldn't be seeking pot control and deception with 3bet kings in a live comp relatively shallow.

Pretty much completely disagree with all of this.

I think you have played the hand fine and as played, fold the river.

[garage flower]

One thing I would say thou is in your op you've used card icon just on river and I think it's pretty to use card icons for all cards.

No idea why the came out as an icon - wasn't intentional.  Will use in future though - they are very pretty.

[garage flower]

Thanks for feedback everyone.  Take Mantis's point and maybe should've considered bet sizing earlier in hand with a view to ensuring I could get it in by the turn on safe boards.  However, as others have said, I wouldn't have been happy to face a flop check-raise in this spot, so I prefer my check back.

Knew it was a fold on the river - as others have said he wouldn't be value betting worse and there were no real bluffs that made sense.  Made a donk call and he turned over the hand I was pretty much expecting: JJ.

[MANTIS01]

Villain had J-J right? Oh ok.

[SuuPRlim]

yh river is a poor call i'm afraid to say

sigh river card though