Missed flush. Made pair.

[zerofive]

Live 50/1 game at Dusk.

Villain is a little spewy, have seen him try to bluff a station twice with no success. As a result, possibly a little tilted. Not a great deal more info.

Our image is TAG I guess, but don't think that's too important versus this villain. Villain is playing £200~ and we cover.

Preflop:

We're dealt the . UTG limps, I make it £6 next to act, four callers including villain on the button. UTG calls.

Flop (£36)

Bet £23, folds to villain who makes it £57. Folds to us. I've seen him raise flush draws here before which we beat most of, also not sure that he'd raise one pair here, so narrowing his range to two pair (unlikely), sets, and flush draws. I guess we can include tens or maybe jacks, but expect he would usually 3bet these pre. I call, but given these reads, is it better to raise here and get it in versus his entire range? Think I probably prefer raising here, thoughts?

Turn (£150)

Not expecting this turn to change much, but as played what do you do here? I checked, and was pretty surprised when he checked behind.

River (£150)

Now we've rivered a pair, my default line is to check-call, as he's going to bluff a bunch of flush draws that missed, and I'd be pretty surprised if he checked his two-pair/set hands back on the turn, unless it's true that I'm not giving him enough credit. He bets a weird amount though, £55. His bluffs versus the station were substantially more in terms of % of the pot. Are we still flicking it in, or do we find a fold?

I don't think I butchered the hand as such, but maybe I could have played some streets differently. Thoughts on line? Now that we're here, what do you do?

[SuuPRlim]

as played there is NO way you can possibly fold here, getting 4-1 on a call with a WAY better hand than you are supposed to have. Don't overthink this, just call.

I prefer raising the flop because you're equity is venreable on a lot of turns and the stacks are nice to allow some decent FE, like you say him raising A9 or TT to "ask the question" I agree I don't think he is semi-bluffing all that often with this sizing but anyways with nice stacks and plenty of pot equity I'm jamming here and feeling pretty good about it, I'm not going to work it out but if you include his (however thin Fold%) + our equity I'd imagine we'll easily be somewhere near the breakeven point of a JAM with fairly conservative estimates of his frequencies.

[muckthenuts]

Gotta jam this flop. Now we're here i wouldn't be folding.

[Pinchop73]

Jammin otf ainec.

Or a cheeky lil 3ball/c, as long as were still putting chips in whilst we still have decent equity.

As played the decision is pretty gross.

With no FE I guess I sigh flick it in. Normally to be shown 2pr. God this reminds me how live £0.5/1 infuriates me.

[cambridgealex]

in on the flop pls.

snap call now. dont care if he's got two pair. we've got top pair.

[SuuPRlim]

As played the decision is pretty gross.

can't be too gross, we're getting 4-1, we have a hand infinitely better than our villain thinks we have....

[EvilPie]

How do you not jam the flop especially given 'I've seen him raise flush draws here before'?

I don't think we need to do much number crunching to know that it's hardly ever going to be a mistake.

What's the question on the river? Do we find a fold? Lord knows where from?

What's weird about £55? You might be guilty of over thinking. Just flick it in quickly before you get accused of a slow roll.

[EvilPie]

As played the decision is pretty gross.

can't be too gross, we're getting 4-1, we have a hand infinitely better than our villain thinks we have....

Definitely this.

It might be gross if we had 77, 88, A9 that we could've taken a similar line with but with tptk it's actually a bit of a "oh hi der river" moment.

[zerofive]

Defo overthought the flop.

we're 3bet/calling it off though, right? I think we get a lot of hero calls if we just jam £200 here, which we're flipping against ofc but fold is what we want.

tbh a part of me thinks the extent of his level 2 thinking was that I'd raise with a flush draw, so i don't think i cripple my implied by flatting, espesh as he's going to make a flush as well a decent % of the time.

guilty of thinking he wasn't going to fold any portion of his range here, so smallball ftw lol

Was expecting a river bluff to be way bigger, so just calling it off expecting it to be a set loads even though he did a suicide check on the turn. Really want to take the "fuck it and flick it in" out of my game as much as I needed to take hero-calling out of my game. Soon i'm just going to have an infinite agro factor and never ever call, i know

Guess my question was my entire line. When I typed it out, I was thinking jam flop. i'm so fucking bad.

[EvilPie]

we're 3bet/calling it off though, right? I think we get a lot of hero calls if we just jam £200 here, which we're flipping against ofc but fold is what we want.

Nah just jam.

If you're 100% prepared to call it off then you might as well give yourself a chance at a hundred odd quid for free.

[EvilPie]

This is important:

 Really want to take the "fuck it and flick it in" out of my game as much as I needed to take hero-calling out of my game.

Not on this board though:

River (£150)

[Pinchop73]

He checks the turn behind because he's scared his flopped 2pr/set (could call atc from the button) could get beat on the river by a spade ('man I'm running so bad its bound to come, I check'), so he's happy to see if it lands for free.

When he see's the brick river (relative to the strength of his hand) combined with your check turn check river line (frush draw obv) he value bets. ('Not too much though, I don't want to scare hero away')

This of course is only one explanation for his line, which is why I still call as we can be good a lot of the time vs missed draws. Just trying to explain why I don't feel its a super easy call. Seen it so many times.

[EvilPie]

'We've seen him try to bluff a station twice' makes it a call imo.

Also he could easily be value betting A9, 1010, JJ, QQ (QQ unlikely as raises pre)

There's plenty of hero calling hands against a 'bluffer who may be on tilt' so he should see value in worse hands than ours which as Dave said is much better than it should be.

I can't see many 2 pair combos in there for him. Possibly K9 that got there or 69 suited.

Sets are hard to hit.

Yeah flick it in.

[EvilPie]

Also if this is true:

He checks the turn behind because he's scared his flopped 2pr/set (could call atc from the button) could get beat on the river by a spade

Surely he jams to protect it especially after he's raised the flop presumably with the same purpose?