battle of the big stacks

[Ironside]

we are in the money in a 45 man tubo money is really up the top so not really wanting to bust with 3 short stacks
but its also a turbo and i cant pass AJ is my play out of line is the pre flop play shove or fold
how about the plays down the streets is it seriously bad play? am i missing out on value or over rating a big ace?

PokerStars Hand #74264615839: Tournament #504261862, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2012/01/22 3:21:34 WET [2012/01/21 22:21:34 ET]
Table '504261862 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: tiny110569 (2797 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: Jinshen (6254 in chips)
Seat 3: eliorelia137 (16505 in chips)
Seat 5: Ironside (21182 in chips)
Seat 8: SVRaptor (18439 in chips)
Seat 9: GoldInFire99 (2323 in chips)
tiny110569: posts the ante 75
Jinshen: posts the ante 75
eliorelia137: posts the ante 75
Ironside: posts the ante 75
SVRaptor: posts the ante 75
GoldInFire99: posts the ante 75
GoldInFire99: posts small blind 600
tiny110569: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ As]
Jinshen: folds
eliorelia137: raises 1200 to 2400
Ironside: raises 2400 to 4800
SVRaptor: folds
GoldInFire99: folds
tiny110569: folds
eliorelia137: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
eliorelia137: checks
Ironside: bets 2400
eliorelia137: calls 2400
*** TURN *** [ Ah ] []
eliorelia137: checks
Ironside: checks
*** RIVER *** [ Ah ] []
eliorelia137: bets 3600
Ironside: calls 3600

[Skippy]

It's definitely push or fold. Many folk would open push even if there hadn't been a raise already.

Your comment about not wanting to bust is not unreasonable, but the min raiser has the same problem and then some sice you cover him. He's going to have a hard time calling it off even with some reasonable hands. So I think shoving is fine.

[muckthenuts]

The best play is to fold. Tangling with a fellow big stack when there are seriously crippled stacks in play wouldn't be good for us, losing an all in confrontation here becomes fairly suicidal ICM wise. If he has half a brain he'll be opening a tight range here, and i assume you weren't 3bet/folding?

I also don't think 'it's a turbo so i can't pass AJ' is good thinking and you should be taking many more variables into consideration when making your decisions in future.

Most importantly about this situation is the gains we can make by preserving our stack here. We can use our chip lead to attack all the shorter stacks on our left, who will not be able to play back at you as they'll all be waiting for the others to bust first rather than risk getting busted by you. You can fairly crush it from this position.

[c4ught]

Fold vs this random.

Shove vs reg.

[MC]

Fold vs this random.

Shove vs reg.

[Longy]

Depends on reads on opener, but it is deffo push or fold pre.

[pleno1]

change title to battle of the 17bb effective stacks

[Longy]

change title to battle of the 17bb effective stacks

That is absoutely massive in these games!

[mulhuzz]

just never 3betting that isn't a shove, as played we flopped a pair, try and get it in asap.