Grand Prix Spot

[Junior Senior]

Day 1 of GP, i have just been moved tables from a pretty easy one where i have built to 63k. Average is 38k and Blinds are 400/800/100 ante. I have just lost 12k of my stack to a guy who couldnt lay down bottom pair on the turn (making trips on the river) in a sb vs bb battle where i was best all the way so i am a little steamed.

So i have 51k the very  next hand. I am on the button with AKo and its folded to me so i make a steamy looking open to 2200 and the BB who has 28k insta jams. I have been sat observing for 30 mins and apart from noticing she looked a bit like Susan Boyle's less fashionable sister i had observed that she was fairly active but generally standard tight cautios, but the other decent players were actively trying to play pots with her so felt she had probably been playing quite terribly.  What do you do?

[pokerfan]

Hope she never reads this 

[Girgy85]

Hope she never reads this 

and hi five the dealer as your sliding in all of your discs.

[EvilPie]

I hope you didn't think for more than half a second before calling.

Massive slow roll if you did.

[Ironside]

Ask her if she can her hands on some more chips and get them in ASAP

[Junior Senior]

Hope she never reads this 

and hi five the dealer as your sliding in all of your discs.

Thickness of glasses suggets she probably cant

[Girgy85]

Hope she never reads this 

and hi five the dealer as your sliding in all of your discs.

Thickness of glasses suggets she probably cant

shes Defo got   then instead of   

[SuuPRlim]

fwiw you're gonna get shown AA and KK here way more often than you think. People say "they'll never shove AA or KK it's always AK, TT or JJ" you aren't doing outstanding vs that range chances are she shows you AQ >1% of the time as well. Think it's a fold really, vs a women as well (who no offence intended stereotypically are less likely to be buffing and more likely to be jamming a bigger hand - all I can go off from the OP's semi-insulting description is my own sterotypes of average female poker players)  

35bb's is kind of huge in this type of structure as well. Having said this getitng a ton of chips at every opportunity is pretty crucial as well, so couldn't blame you for calling, think it's pretty close but folding is better

[pleno1]

fold

[nirvana]

(who no offence intended stereotypically are less likely to be buffing and more likely to be jamming a bigger hand - all I can go off from the OP's semi-insulting description is my own sterotypes of average female poker players)  

Description suggests she'll buff more than average. So, fold, tap table and roll out a bicep curl

[pleno1]

i expect the woman to ALWAYS flat cal or fold aq.

[EvilPie]

Hmmmm. Didn't count the number of bigs properly. Thought it was much less.

I'd still call though.

[muckthenuts]

It's button vs bb facing a fucking huge jam which is NEVER aces or kings, let alone the fact we block combos of both these hands (!) so i do a snap. There isn't enough described history to do anything else here, even though it's kinda obvious the OP happens to owe 50p here it doesn't make it a bad play.

[Junior Senior]

yeah, probably judging the way i feel about it on the result to be fair.  She had 99 and held.  I could tell a couple of people at the table felt this should have been a fold but i'm still not sure.  Its a massive field and getting a big stack early has to be the way here to null the grind. I couldn't be arsed to fold if truth be told.  I pretty much knew it wasn't AA or KK or AQ so knew almost certainly i was taking a flip for over half my stack, which has to be neg EV play.

[jgcblack]

tbh agree with lil D and Pleno, you're going to be shown big hands a lot here... (by a lot, read all the time)

THE FISH LOVE TO JUST SHOVE WITH BIG HANDS!                                                   (im using the caps key because I have to keep reminding myself of this - hourly)

Its a really common thing for them to have no idea what to do with a really good hand and just shove and 'hope' you can call.



I've lost count how many times back in the day when I was 'one of those guys' who gets wound up at the fish and asks them questions or berrates their play etc.. that I would just hear 'well you called so it must have been a good bet'.......... uber dooober monkeytiltingnesss ensued!

And to 'raise to make it look tilty' has never imo actually EVER looked tilty.... and all I hear from people is exactly this after they've just lost a big pot/ got ul etc.. in this situation the 'pretend tilted person' just always has it. - WHICH IS WHY SHE WOULD SHOVE FOR VALUE 100%.



Really there's one thing you ask yourself in this spot - is she EVER bluffing?
When you answer that 'no'.. you're now up against probably the following range.. (maybe tighter idk)

88's+/ AKo + AKs exactly!

So how much of a 'snap' is the call now? Esp when we have 30+bb's and a fishy table..... we need big stack to pot ratios for any 'skill edge' to come into play.. and playing big flip pots with fish is how they can beat the pro's. This is an ego war that way too many 'regs'/ online uber geniuses/ other +ev players let themself get into imo.




For an example of how they just 'shove' with no idea what they're getting called by, read the thread im about to put up in PHA.. its me trying to be a hero, again.