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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 04:43:44 PM » |
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BTW I'm not arguing. Just trying to learn how to play 4 cards.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 04:45:00 PM » |
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Why don't we just pot the flop? He calls with worse quuens? Or not? Is he reg Cos?
But he HASto have a queen to call. Loads of players auto rep any paired board and that's the guy Cos is trying to keep in. The problem with this hand is that it starts as an exercise in keeping the guy interested and maybe let him spew another street then becomes a problem when he starts to look insanely strong. You'd normally expect him to check behind on the turn then we extract a little value on the river. This one went a bit wrong though when he decided to barrel the shit out of it. But when Cos calls doesn't his hand look like a Queen anyway. Surely he dogs most draws cos the board is paired? Yes I agree with this but blind on blind I think dynamics change a bit and ranges open up a little. I don't think I'd always fold AA or KK just yet, particularly if I had like KK10 with diamonds etc. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 04:45:38 PM » |
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BTW I'm not arguing. Just trying to learn how to play 4 cards.
It's good discussion m8 |
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 04:53:41 PM » |
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The problem with this hand is that it starts as an exercise in keeping the guy interested and maybe let him spew another street then becomes a problem when he starts to look insanely strong.
Well that's not really true as he could raise QJ/JJ AQ109 type hands too so I don't want to overrep my hand. Given I have the nfd too, that takes another hand out of his range he might well raise the flop with. Yup all true. On the flop though are your thoughts 'hmmmm I'd best be careful here in case I get coolered' or 'Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee I is gettin paaaiiiidddd'? For me it would be the latter and I'd be cautiously keeping him interested. That would change to scared caution on the turn and then I'd be petrified on the river. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 04:56:31 PM » |
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The problem with this hand is that it starts as an exercise in keeping the guy interested and maybe let him spew another street then becomes a problem when he starts to look insanely strong.
Well that's not really true as he could raise QJ/JJ AQ109 type hands too so I don't want to overrep my hand. Given I have the nfd too, that takes another hand out of his range he might well raise the flop with. Yup all true. On the flop though are your thoughts 'hmmmm I'd best be careful here in case I get coolered' or 'Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee I is gettin paaaiiiidddd'? For me it would be the latter and I'd be cautiously keeping him interested. That would change to scared caution on the turn and then I'd be petrified on the river. I'd say it would be wrong to think of just one of these two scenarios. It's a spot where we have to kind of bear in mind that either one could be applicable, no? |
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 05:14:58 PM » |
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Can't see how u can play this hand any other way cos, if the guy has bluffed you in that spot (very unlikely) then well done him
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2012, 06:07:38 PM » |
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I'd fold the turn.
Random's have QJ here.
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 06:33:31 PM » |
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This is fine/standard, I'd c/c flop sometimes too.
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 12:19:20 AM » |
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Really feels like QJ for me. Line is fine IMO, think the weird turn is just trying to keep in some draws/induce, however I call there as well (maybe shouldn't but hey it's no fun to fold).
What do you do if you fill one of your lower kickers?
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 12:29:03 AM » |
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What do you do if you fill one of your lower kickers?
I defo c/f, or I might even lead/fold. Idk, I'd fold the turn at these stakes vs a random almost always |
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 12:34:20 AM » |
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What do you do if you fill one of your lower kickers?
I defo c/f, or I might even lead/fold. Idk, I'd fold the turn at these stakes vs a random almost always Don't get me wrong, I want to fold the turn but with the bet sizing I'd probably level myself into a call. If we fill a lower kicker on the river we probably have to bet/fold, why else are we calling on the turn? Feels too weak to C/F if we go that far. |
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 12:42:26 AM » |
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What do you do if you fill one of your lower kickers?
I defo c/f, or I might even lead/fold. Idk, I'd fold the turn at these stakes vs a random almost always Don't get me wrong, I want to fold the turn but with the bet sizing I'd probably level myself into a call. If we fill a lower kicker on the river we probably have to bet/fold, why else are we calling on the turn? Feels too weak to C/F if we go that far. Agree with this. I mean if it comes a 6 and I check again, I'd still expect him to shove JJ if checked to. |
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 10:01:23 AM » |
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i like flop but think i c/fold turn.
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2012, 05:08:41 AM » |
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I'd fold the turn.
Random's have QJ here.
So is that where i go wrong in 1 2 games im to spewy ? think its just a basic all in on flop ? if has worst queens hes not folding anyway an if has jj you may be behind but you have alot of outs an may miss out on value if u house up an he gets away from the hand which is unlikey anyway an personally most players would just flat wt qj here on flop so i think hes never got that! Friendly advice for an old friend! |
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