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« on: January 28, 2012, 03:20:08 PM »

In a 3-handed 50p/£1 game at DTD.  Villain is LAG, showing a lot of bluffs earlier in night and opening every button since we went short-handed.  Struggling with his aggression,  I've been tight and fairly passive.  In this hand I'm effective stack with approx £180.

I open button to £3 with   three clubs; villain 3-bets to £13.

I decide to call with a view to heroically out-playing him with position post-flop (had in mind floating expected flop c-bet and taking it away on turn).

Flop:   (£27)

Villain bets £20, I raise to £60, happy to call a shove, but he flats.

Turn:   (£147)

Villain insta-shoves; hero?

Thoughts on choosing this pretty lousy hand to play back against villain and - having done so - thoughts on calling pre rather than 4-betting.

 
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 04:01:02 PM »

73 suited is not a hand to be playing a big pot with.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 04:27:13 PM »

73 suited is not a hand to be playing a big pot with.

orly?
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012, 04:37:03 PM »

in response to the hand (alex is making a joke ^^ about how he decided to spite spack his face of with 73 suited last night Smiley )

I think folding preflop is defo a consideration, I actually think opening this OTB is fine, and if you were a little deeper I would be all for flicking the call in. Problem is though that the stacks as they are will make it so with the 3bet preflop and two big bets your opp can get stacks in comfortably in this hand and this will mean that vs a lot of aggression we're going to need to show down our 7 and our 3. Make the stacks £350 and all of a sudden you can really put him in tough spots and actually punish him for building a big pot OOP.

I thin decided that we're just going to outplay him cos he's been aggro is not as good an option as selecting a spot carefully to exploit his over-aggression. I also think 4betting is pretty spewy, but i'd imagine a lot better than flatting the 3bet with these stacks

As played he's jamming £150 into £67? I'd fold now.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2012, 08:48:24 PM »

i think a call pre is perfectly fine: its 3 handed, u opened the button, villain is LAG, with 180bb theres still room for play. as long as you hav a plan postflop and not jsut fold every flop this is fine.

the HH confuses me, theres supposed to be 147 in the pot?? so hes jamming 107 into 147?? this is a call IMO.

apologies if im wrong with pot calculations im new to the forums....
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2012, 09:19:27 PM »

yh you're right Map pot OTT in £147.

mmmm tricky one you need 30% equity and I'm not too sure we can have it ever unless he has something like ?

I've been playing around on odd oracle for about 5 minutes and can't find a range we're +25% vs. I'm still going to fold I think
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 10:12:14 PM »

Annoying - just typed out long-ish reply and lost it.  Will try to be quick now.

First, my bad; £147 pot on the turn so - yes - a reasonable price to call the shove.

In terms of his range, I really though it skewed towards spade flush draws that had flopped a straight/pair (he looked quite uncomfortable when I asked if he had  ).  I know he can have the ace, but shoving it rules out most/all 8x hands or flopped over pairs.  Also, the quick nature of the bet seemed a bit bluffy (I know I'm stretching a bit there, but a bit of a read).  Maybe some some flopped monsters, but he gets most of them in on such a wet flop, I think.  Also, when he has the ace, it often gives him 2 pair or top pair/nut flush draw and I think this villain may bet smaller with stronger value hands (even though I realise the turn bet is standard size).

I realise the 2-spade hands represent a small % of the possible combos, but thought they were much more likely at the time.  Having said that, I'm still not sure about the call.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 10:18:20 PM »

in response to the hand (alex is making a joke ^^ about how he decided to spite spack his face of with 73 suited last night Smiley )


Yeah, I'm a fan of Alex's diary thread.  He's obviously some kind of subliminal inspiration (hadn't read about that hand prior to playing mine).
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