KK awkward spot

[Derbylad]

While playing late 50/1 at DTD...
Hero finds  UTG+1 (starting stack 310)
Villain who's currently UTG makes it 5 (starting stack 350-400)
Hero raises to 16, Folds all the way round and UTG+1 flat calls.

Flop: 
(pot size 34)

Villain checks
Hero bets 25
Villain flats
(pot size 84)

turn: 

Villain checks
Hero bets 35
Villain re-raises to 105
...

While i've been grinding the 50/1 for a while, i had limited hand history against the villain. Showdown hands had consistently been wins consisting of a full house over full house where he'd had JJ in situations previously and not re-raised a 3 bet pre-flop. Hand ranges, potentially JJ, QQ (more likely to raise pre here though), 910 (including 9s10s).

My final decision was a sigh fold.
Thoughts please....

[Pugwashed]

I probably fold here, QQ/JJ/T9s seems too likely and it doesn't seem like there are too many bluffs he can have

[cambridgealex]

vstandard fold readless

[pleno1]

i start turning everything into a bluff vs ur turn sizing.

[SuuPRlim]

i start turning everything into a bluff vs ur turn sizing.

yh +1.

J9 JT QT and Q9 would be getting stuck in your eye here.

However, you're not playing morons like me and Pleno so fold now defo - but bet bigger on the turn. You've kind of turned you hand face up as a good/strong hand, but not one that you wanna get raised holding (KK basically lol)

[Derbylad]

Agreed with the turn bet, should of bet around 60 in hindsight.
He showed .

[EvilPie]

Agreed with the turn bet, should of bet around 60 in hindsight.
He showed .

You think he knew he was bluffing?

Probably showed it to prove he wasn't 'at it' and that you should respect his bets.

[Rivertony]

Sigh fold for sure, much better spots out there but turn bet is too small IMO and exploitable against good players although this guy clearly isn't one!

[cambridgealex]

Sigh fold for sure, much better spots out there but turn bet is too small IMO and exploitable against good players although this guy clearly isn't one!

he could be. turning qx into a bluff here is quite nice, he reps sets, straights and 9T very nicely and has barely any airballs in his range. I wouldn't expect a 50/1 guy to turn a Q into a bluff so I'd be laying down KK here.

Having said that, the betsize leaves yourself wide open to this sort of move.

[Derbylad]

Out of interest what would people's 2nd barrel have been in this situation? i'd of said 60 in hindsight?

[pleno1]

£55 upwards

[Rivertony]

Sigh fold for sure, much better spots out there but turn bet is too small IMO and exploitable against good players although this guy clearly isn't one!

he could be. turning qx into a bluff here is quite nice, he reps sets, straights and 9T very nicely and has barely any airballs in his range. I wouldn't expect a 50/1 guy to turn a Q into a bluff so I'd be laying down KK here.

Having said that, the betsize leaves yourself wide open to this sort of move.

Just from the comment in an earlier post where he said how the guy showed Q10 to prove he wasn't bluffing shows he isn't that good, I guess I wasn't in the game so can't comment 100% accurate!

My turn bet would be more £55-£65!

Infact someone else said that and not the guy would posted the hand so maybe this guy is a genius and the new phil Ivey! LOL

[rfgqqabc]

If 35 gets everyone in the world to spazz out with QT it seems fine as long as you call afterwards...

Its always going to be tough getting stacks in with a bet/bet/bet line so deep.


How do people feel about a c/shove or c/raise (depending on exact stack sizes)?

[Rivertony]

If 35 gets everyone in the world to spazz out with QT it seems fine as long as you call afterwards...

Its always going to be tough getting stacks in with a bet/bet/bet line so deep.


How do people feel about a c/shove or c/raise (depending on exact stack sizes)?

You have the prefect hand and situation (being in position) for the bet/bet/bet line (river dependant), if you start check raising/ check shoving turn and your opponent wants to get stacks in you'll be very lucky not to be drawing dead or too 2 outs!

[rfgqqabc]

If 35 gets everyone in the world to spazz out with QT it seems fine as long as you call afterwards...

Its always going to be tough getting stacks in with a bet/bet/bet line so deep.


How do people feel about a c/shove or c/raise (depending on exact stack sizes)?

You have the prefect hand and situation (being in position) for the bet/bet/bet line (river dependant), if you start check raising/ check shoving turn and your opponent wants to get stacks in you'll be very lucky not to be drawing dead or too 2 outs!

Yeah i think i agree. Bet/bet/bet. With the turn being £58-70 and the river being £120-150 poss even a shove. Obv paid attention to the hand seeing we are in position.... not