Arsenal FC a very promising story

[rinswun]

Tighty has pretty much hit the point on the head. Arsenal may well have some money. They almost certainly dont have as much as City, Chelsea, Monaco, PSG, Real and yet Adz wants them to buy the sort of players these clubs have. As Wenger has said many times, he'll spend the money if he can get players in that are better than he currently has. No point spending it if it doesn't improve the first team. Loads of Arsenal fans want him to spend for spending's sake. He's made that mistake before - Chu, Chamakh, Gervinho, Santos to name a few.

The difference Arsenal have now from the past 10 years is that they no longer need to sell their best players as the Stadium has been paid off.

[TightEnd]

Fans don't care about money in the bank tho. Or what might happen if football goes pop. Fans don't go to a game to contribute towards their clubs big bank balances. They want success. And that usually means trophies. Certainly for a club like arsenal.

Too many times in the last five years or so wenger has said he doesn't need to strengthen his squad in transfer windows, and it has backfired on him. Then in the last window, he managed to sign a player, knowing he was gonna be injured long term.

his failure to have depth behind giroud or someone in front of him in the pecking order is unarguable

what i think some people would argue, me included, is that clubs are showing by their behaviour that finishing in the top 4 in the premier league is far more important than winning a secondary trophy

in any one year you can

win the league

win the capital one

win the fa cup

finish top 4 to get in the champions league

thats it

if we accept that financially (and for fans the champions league nights) top 4 is far more important than winning a secondary trophy and  from 2000-2012 man u under ferguson and 2004 onwards chelsea and 2009 onwards man c to beat, the main trophy hasn't been attainable

so, ergo, top 4 finishes are the equivalent of winning a trophy, and thats been achieved every year

if the top 4 finish isn't achieved then thats failure



if Liverpool do win the league its taken 50 goals plus from SAS to do it, which goes back to the argument, and Wenger did offer £40.001m to try to get him. Offering £75m in Aug 2013 as was suggested is just bananas.

[BigAdz]

But this is my whole point.

We DO have a decent squad, we DONT need to spend hundreds of million, we just needed to shore up some essential positions, and we(Wenger) failed to do this.


I think all this stuff about Arsenal being in a great position when it all goes pop, sounds great, but the reality is if it happens the whole game goes to ratshit, and Arsenal will be kings in an SPL type scenario........nah, just won't happen.

[mulhuzz]

Solid posts from tighty. Agree lotssssss

[TightEnd]

But this is my whole point.

We DO have a decent squad, we DONT need to spend hundreds of million, we just needed to shore up some essential positions, and we(Wenger) failed to do this.


I think all this stuff about Arsenal being in a great position when it all goes pop, sounds great, but the reality is if it happens the whole game goes to ratshit, and Arsenal will be kings in an SPL type scenario........nah, just won't happen.

who would you buy that improves the team? this is the problem arsenal have.

the marquee signings are very tough to pull off because of who you are competing against. arsenal have signed one.

the secondary european signings don't fulfil the real fans hopes to compete with the big boys. another santi cazorla? another giroud? metesacker? podolski? all fine and dandy but not taking you from 4th to 1st.

the young british players are over-priced, generally, and you buy them with an eye on the future

so who do you want? rough ideas at rough price ranges.

[rinswun]

But this is my whole point.

We DO have a decent squad, we DONT need to spend hundreds of million, we just needed to shore up some essential positions, and we(Wenger) failed to do this.


I think all this stuff about Arsenal being in a great position when it all goes pop, sounds great, but the reality is if it happens the whole game goes to ratshit, and Arsenal will be kings in an SPL type scenario........nah, just won't happen.

Arguably, he tried to do that last summer. I doubt it was him who instructed the board to go in at 40mil +£1 for Suarez. Once that had happened, that deal was never going to happen. If the buyout clause really was 40mil +£1, it would have been stupid to have offered more. After that, they went out at got Ozil which was a pretty significant deal. They had no chance getting Falcao, Benzema or Cavani. Higuian is probably the one available striker they can say they missed out on that would truely have made a difference. Who else could they have attracted?

[BigAdz]

Fans don't care about money in the bank tho. Or what might happen if football goes pop. Fans don't go to a game to contribute towards their clubs big bank balances. They want success. And that usually means trophies. Certainly for a club like arsenal.

Too many times in the last five years or so wenger has said he doesn't need to strengthen his squad in transfer windows, and it has backfired on him. Then in the last window, he managed to sign a player, knowing he was gonna be injured long term.

his failure to have depth behind giroud or someone in front of him in the pecking order is unarguable

what i think some people would argue, me included, is that clubs are showing by their behaviour that finishing in the top 4 in the premier league is far more important than winning a secondary trophy

in any one year you can

win the league

win the capital one

win the fa cup

finish top 4 to get in the champions league

thats it

if we accept that financially (and for fans the champions league nights) top 4 is far more important than winning a secondary trophy and  from 2000-2012 man u under ferguson and 2004 onwards chelsea and 2009 onwards man c to beat, the main trophy hasn't been attainable

so, ergo, top 4 finishes are the equivalent of winning a trophy, and thats been achieved every year

if the top 4 finish isn't achieved then thats failure



if Liverpool do win the league its taken 50 goals plus from SAS to do it, which goes back to the argument, and Wenger did offer £40.001m to try to get him. Offering £75m in Aug 2013 as was suggested is just bananas.

Lets put this another way.

How many hundreds of times have you heard fans of teams like Wigan and Sunderland express they would rather win a trophy and be relegated, because at least it gives them a day in the sun, and something tangible to celebrate. The day to day drab stuff just needs a break every now and then.

That, my friends, is how many Arsenal fans feel right now.

Wenger seems happy to be on a merry go round of aiming for 4th, get enough cash in form a quarter final jaunt in the ECL, at best, and hope to gain enough money to maintain this cycle. He has lost all ambition, and the proof is in the cycle of events year after year.

[rinswun]

Would you really rather win a league cup than play Champions League football?

[BigAdz]

Would you really rather win a league cup than play Champions League football?

Me, yes.

I feel like Tranmere in the CL. Lets get some feel good on the go and the monkey off our back.


As for paying over the odds for Suarez. Happily. its much like we talk about value in Fred. Just because we can get someone at one price, doesnt mean it wont be a winning bet if we take another price. At the end of the day, the winner pays more than a loser!

[TightEnd]

Fans don't care about money in the bank tho. Or what might happen if football goes pop. Fans don't go to a game to contribute towards their clubs big bank balances. They want success. And that usually means trophies. Certainly for a club like arsenal.

Too many times in the last five years or so wenger has said he doesn't need to strengthen his squad in transfer windows, and it has backfired on him. Then in the last window, he managed to sign a player, knowing he was gonna be injured long term.

his failure to have depth behind giroud or someone in front of him in the pecking order is unarguable

what i think some people would argue, me included, is that clubs are showing by their behaviour that finishing in the top 4 in the premier league is far more important than winning a secondary trophy

in any one year you can

win the league

win the capital one

win the fa cup

finish top 4 to get in the champions league

thats it

if we accept that financially (and for fans the champions league nights) top 4 is far more important than winning a secondary trophy and  from 2000-2012 man u under ferguson and 2004 onwards chelsea and 2009 onwards man c to beat, the main trophy hasn't been attainable

so, ergo, top 4 finishes are the equivalent of winning a trophy, and thats been achieved every year

if the top 4 finish isn't achieved then thats failure



if Liverpool do win the league its taken 50 goals plus from SAS to do it, which goes back to the argument, and Wenger did offer £40.001m to try to get him. Offering £75m in Aug 2013 as was suggested is just bananas.

Lets put this another way.

How many hundreds of times have you heard fans of teams like Wigan and Sunderland express they would rather win a trophy and be relegated, because at least it gives them a day in the sun, and something tangible to celebrate. The day to day drab stuff just needs a break every now and then.

That, my friends, is how many Arsenal fans feel right now.

Wenger seems happy to be on a merry go round of aiming for 4th, get enough cash in form a quarter final jaunt in the ECL, at best, and hope to gain enough money to maintain this cycle. He has lost all ambition, and the proof is in the cycle of events year after year.

but for Arsenal top 4 is ambition Adz in 2014 English football.

Think of top 4 as winning a trophy, because thats what it is.

and its even tougher every year, you'll only do it this year because united have fallen off.


it means far far more than winning the fa cup

for wigan and sunderland who will NEVER be in the top 4 and know that sooner or later they will be on the relegation carousel winning a Cup is FAR more massive than it should be for Arsenal. Same for Hull in the semis this year. Huge

It should be way way less important for Arsenal than getting 4th  and yet arsneal fans hanker after a secondary cup?

its barmy!   

[BigAdz]

Spending days arguing with half a dozen blokes for 3 days is equally barmy, yet here we are!

[mondatoo]

Feels like Wenger refuses to buy a player who whilst they will improve the strength of the team he doesn't think they're worth the asking price a lot of the time and so doesn't buy.

So should a manager pay more for a player than he thinks they're worth to improve his team and appease the fans ? Most managers would, but they do it for self serving purposes. I know I'd rather have a manager like Wenger than someone like 'Arry.

I see absolutely no possibility of Arsenal attracting a manager to takeover who is as good as Wenger, and if any club in the world sacked there manager he'd be very close to the top of any clubs shortlist.

[rinswun]

Would you really rather win a league cup than play Champions League football?

Me, yes.

I feel like Tranmere in the CL. Lets get some feel good on the go and the monkey off our back.


As for paying over the odds for Suarez. Happily. its much like we talk about value in Fred. Just because we can get someone at one price, doesnt mean it wont be a winning bet if we take another price. At the end of the day, the winner pays more than a loser!

That is ludicrous. Tranmere might not be the most apt description but you've actually probably just stumbled into a reasonably comparitive point. Do you think Brighton fans would rather win promotion to the Prem or win the League Cup? Essentially the Champions League and the Prem represent the same competion whilst the League Cup remains the same.

[TightEnd]

Spending days arguing with half a dozen blokes for 3 days is equally barmy, yet here we are!

lol true

asking you the same question another way


priorities

you win the capital one cup beating birmingham a couple of years ago

but don't get the games against bayern, dortmund, napoli, barca that have happened since

perhaps you play dnipro and the rest on a thursday night


you are happier now as an arsenal fan?

those champions league nights are surely much much bigger than a secondary trophy?

[BigAdz]

Yes, Yes and Yes.

Maybe it does make no sense to you other fans, but that's how I feel right wrong or indifferent.

Doing the same thing every season and living a Groundhog Day for the last eight years I want a change, even if it means going without for a few years. What the fuck don't you get?!


To me winning a trophy means I can break open the champagne and forget about things for a while. Constantly doing well, but never winning anything, I don't get that buzz. Simples!