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[david3103]

DTD Mega Sat

13 left, 10 seats

I've folded my blinds to aggression for the last four orbits and it's getting to me. I've made my own moves to maintain the stack and flops have been rare.

The other table has two biggish stacks but the rest are all around the 10BB range

We've been playing for just over three hours

JonyKim was playig very tight early on but has been pushing regularly in this position - I have 84 hands showing VPIP% 13, and PFR% 10. But when we were around 20 left he was 8/4 in these categories

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NL Holdem $3,000(BB) Replayer Game#2824682884

Sigh ($45,198)
david ($38,206)
thorny177 ($37,300)
JKZZZ ($41,984)
nemoswim ($185,701)
JonyKwim ($29,984)

david antes $300
thorny177 antes $300
JKZZZ antes $300
nemoswim antes $300
JonyKwim antes $300
Sigh antes $300
david posts (BB) $3,000
Sigh posts (SB) $1,500

Dealt to david    
fold, fold, fold,
JonyKwim raises to $29,684 (AI)
fold,
david calls $26,684

So, easy fold? Or not?

[outragous76]

trivial fold in a satty

[tikay]

Playing 12 Bigs, & every bugger is nicking your "spots"?

It's probably a bad call, but I make the call. You gotta draw the line eventually, win this, & the seat is locked up.

We are only realistically bothered about A-K & A-Q.  Matey Boy has 9 bigs, & could turn up with complete garbage here, we may even dominate him, he's jamming with a sniff of any paint.

PS - I'm scared the kidz will maul me now, I'm outa here.

[Doobs]

Playing 12 Bigs, & every bugger is nicking your "spots"?

It's probably a bad call, but I make the call. You gotta draw the line eventually, win this, & the seat is locked up.

We are only realistically bothered about A-K & A-Q.  Matey Boy has 9 bigs, & could turn up with complete garbage here, we may even dominate him, he's jamming with a sniff of any paint.

PS - I'm scared the kidz will maul me now, I'm outa here.

why do you have to draw the line?  That sounds like ego talk, and isn't that the sort of thing you pull others up for. 

If he is shoving every time it is folded around then I suppose you could make a case.  He is obviously a bit of a nit, so isn't that likely to be shoving that light.  I don't think you'd be much better than 50/50 vs his range.  Looking at the stacks, I am guessing he must be at least 60% without the call.  I don't think it is that close.

[tikay]

Playing 12 Bigs, & every bugger is nicking your "spots"?

It's probably a bad call, but I make the call. You gotta draw the line eventually, win this, & the seat is locked up.

We are only realistically bothered about A-K & A-Q.  Matey Boy has 9 bigs, & could turn up with complete garbage here, we may even dominate him, he's jamming with a sniff of any paint.

PS - I'm scared the kidz will maul me now, I'm outa here.

why do you have to draw the line?  That sounds like ego talk, and isn't that the sort of thing you pull others up for. 

If he is shoving every time it is folded around then I suppose you could make a case.  He is obviously a bit of a nit, so isn't that likely to be shoving that light.  I don't think you'd be much better than 50/50 vs his range.  Looking at the stacks, I am guessing he must be at least 60% without the call.  I don't think it is that close.

More like "no ego" talk to me. He said "I've folded my blinds to aggression for the last four orbits and it's getting to me".

That suggests to me that the Table are farming his Blinds. Eventually, you DO have to draw the line. I would far rather shove all day with far worse, but he said, or inferred, that he could not find a spot. Within 2 Orbits, he is going to be in deep trouible, & get called very wide, & there is no certainty he will find better in that time.

I prefer to make that defining call sooner rather than later.

[david3103]

Playing 12 Bigs, & every bugger is nicking your "spots"?

It's probably a bad call, but I make the call. You gotta draw the line eventually, win this, & the seat is locked up.

We are only realistically bothered about A-K & A-Q.  Matey Boy has 9 bigs, & could turn up with complete garbage here, we may even dominate him, he's jamming with a sniff of any paint.

PS - I'm scared the kidz will maul me now, I'm outa here.

why do you have to draw the line?  That sounds like ego talk, and isn't that the sort of thing you pull others up for. 

If he is shoving every time it is folded around then I suppose you could make a case.  He is obviously a bit of a nit, so isn't that likely to be shoving that light.  I don't think you'd be much better than 50/50 vs his range.  Looking at the stacks, I am guessing he must be at least 60% without the call.  I don't think it is that close.

More like "no ego" talk to me. He said "I've folded my blinds to aggression for the last four orbits and it's getting to me".

That suggests to me that the Table are farming his Blinds. Eventually, you DO have to draw the line. I would far rather shove all day with far worse, but he said, or inferred, that he could not find a spot. Within 2 Orbits, he is going to be in deep trouible, & get called very wide, & there is no certainty he will find better in that time.

I prefer to make that defining call sooner rather than later.

I'd done my share of shoving

[BulldozerD]

Fold this and start shoving yourself

[Rivertony]

Fold quicker

[david3103]

Fold quicker

lol - isn't it better to fold slower at this stage of the tournament ?


reviewing the history now, the best of my hands leading up to the KQ was J9off (shoved and uncalled) the highest card I had was a Q (with an offsuit 2) and the three hands immediately before the KQ were 63, 53, 45 all unsuited.
I gave this one some thought - it's pretty much the only other hand I had in the final 45 mins of this tournament that might have been worth a call...



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NL Holdem $2,000(BB) Replayer Game#2824673834

thorny177 ($22,150)
JKZZZ ($34,342)
nemoswim ($177,443)
JonyKwim ($37,784)
Sigh ($62,948)
david ($43,706)

thorny177 posts (SB) $1,000
JKZZZ posts (BB) $2,000

Dealt to david    
fold,
JonyKwim raises to $37,584
fold, fold, fold, fold
JonyKwim wins $5,000

[Rivertony]

Fold quicker

lol - isn't it better to fold slower at this stage of the tournament ?

Lol very true, TIMEBANK!!!!

[EvilPie]

I'd be folding pretty much everything here in a sat.

Calling JJ+ and AK.

Don't even love AK but I can't fold it. Might call tens if I'm feeling frisky.

The reason these sats are so juicy is that people are calling off their stacks with KQ which means you can sit and wait while everyone flips against each other.

[EvilPie]

Playing 12 Bigs, & every bugger is nicking your "spots"?

It's probably a bad call, but I make the call. You gotta draw the line eventually, win this, & the seat is locked up.

We are only realistically bothered about A-K & A-Q.  Matey Boy has 9 bigs, & could turn up with complete garbage here, we may even dominate him, he's jamming with a sniff of any paint.

PS - I'm scared the kidz will maul me now, I'm outa here.

why do you have to draw the line?  That sounds like ego talk, and isn't that the sort of thing you pull others up for. 

If he is shoving every time it is folded around then I suppose you could make a case.  He is obviously a bit of a nit, so isn't that likely to be shoving that light.  I don't think you'd be much better than 50/50 vs his range.  Looking at the stacks, I am guessing he must be at least 60% without the call.  I don't think it is that close.

More like "no ego" talk to me. He said "I've folded my blinds to aggression for the last four orbits and it's getting to me".

That suggests to me that the Table are farming his Blinds. Eventually, you DO have to draw the line. I would far rather shove all day with far worse, but he said, or inferred, that he could not find a spot. Within 2 Orbits, he is going to be in deep trouible, & get called very wide, & there is no certainty he will find better in that time.

I prefer to make that defining call sooner rather than later.

I'm sure if you watched the table for 2 minutes you'd see that everybody's blinds were being 'farmed'.

13 bigs is way too soon to be making that 'defining call'.

[JK]

Hate the call tbh. As matt says, we have 13 bigs which is plenty. Theres absolutely no need to call it off with this crap, no matter how card dead we are lol.

I might be exaggerating here, but this is my immediate reaction fwiw. Again with matt on our range in this spot being JJ+ AK+

[Mondeoman]

Pretty sure its a trivial/mandatory fold even if you know hes shoving any two (which his stats suggest he isnt) its still a fold. 
Im not a sat expert by any means but if I could see his hand and it was say k10 i reckon its still a fold.  Did i mention i think i'd fold.

[nirvana]

Played one the other day and went from 1st to 10th with 11 left and 10 seats available by 3b/calling QQ v AQ. Not quite the same situation as I think mine is a clearer fold but, as people have said, pretty sure this is a fold