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SuuPRlim
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« on: February 19, 2012, 02:33:40 PM »

Some kind of interesting hands here, wonder what the world thinks, these two both link nicely into each other.

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4 handed $10/$20/$40

I open to $140 on the button with   

two of the blinds call.

Flop ($430)

chk, chk I bet $220, fold, call

Turn ($870) 

Chk, I bet $520, he doesn't skip a heartbeat in raising to $1600.

I've played with this guy a decent amount on my last trip here, he is about 45 and plays quite solidly, he made a kind of bizarre hero call vs me the previous day so it's fair to say he thinks I'm quite aggro/will barrel off and will expect a pretty wide open from the button. HE doesn't strike me as the sort of player to do much in the way of bluffing, I remember trying to make some hero calls vs him in the last trip but they all failed.

He is playing $3.1k behind the turn raise, I cover. Thoughts?


Now hand 2) vs the same player.

$10/$20/$40 9handed with a $80 straddle.

folds to the same guy who makes it $400. I flat in the $40 with  the straddle calls as well (very loose italian man)

flop ($1,230) 

He Bets $2,500 with $3,000 back, we cover.

We will have Italian loonball behind.

What are you doing?
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2012, 10:23:33 PM »

Yikes i played a few of these games at bellagio last year an i got crushed ! so maybe my answers are invalid m8
To be honest well horrible spots both, First one probaly easier choices i think i flat turn an if he barrels river fold as he would probaly check overpair on river an not turn his hand to bluff if you say hes really solid
2nd one is sicking Sick read fold perhaps ! Obviously the second hand would help if we know the answer to the first hand  m8 as crucial information there !
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 10:37:34 PM »

Hand 1 I'd likely call/call. Hand 2 I think I'd fold the flop and pretend the hand never happened. I think your chopping at best with the loon balll behind.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 10:42:26 PM »

Got to call/call in 2nd one right?

Thinking call in the second but impossible to know without exact in game feelings imo
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 10:59:47 PM »

Call / call in hand one.
Just pass in hand two, feels like the hand is going nowhere good even if you are best now.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 11:09:47 PM »

Everyone's instincts seem to be to fold the second hand and just not tell anyone.

Quite glad about this, I did decide to fold, felt disgustingly nitty but as soon as the hand was over I felt pretty good about it.

The second one I'm still wondering, are we saying call/call mostly because he can be value-betting worse?
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 11:18:42 PM »

fold first, jam second.

He isnt b/f this flop but could c/f a bunch of turns. If youre rolled for cash games i think its a clear jam but sometimes taking a shot in a game it might be a fold. This probably sounds terrible but its trueeeee

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 11:25:19 PM »

If He sees you as a bit aggro and wide then he can deffo be raising for value with worse here. Also he may just be air balling you as the 3 fills some bb calling range draws. also we still have outs if he is raising better than trips so got to call turn at least.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 11:27:35 PM »

lol just saw pot size in hand 2, fyl.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2012, 11:30:06 PM »

fold first, jam second.

He isnt b/f this flop but could c/f a bunch of turns. If youre rolled for cash games i think its a clear jam but sometimes taking a shot in a game it might be a fold. This probably sounds terrible but its trueeeee



Seems really marginal to be pushing here mate .
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2012, 11:40:15 PM »

lol just saw pot size in hand 2, fyl.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 12:14:20 AM »

If He sees you as a bit aggro and wide then he can deffo be raising for value with worse here. Also he may just be air balling you as the 3 fills some bb calling range draws. also we still have outs if he is raising better than trips so got to call turn at least.

would be incred to river a queen.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 12:31:15 AM »

If He sees you as a bit aggro and wide then he can deffo be raising for value with worse here. Also he may just be air balling you as the 3 fills some bb calling range draws. also we still have outs if he is raising better than trips so got to call turn at least.

would be incred to river a queen.

Yep would be an easy game then . He can have 66 and other stuff here tho . I mean we can't be folding trips in a four handed game when we have button raised and standard Cbet with an aggro image.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 08:12:17 AM »

1st hand i think call/call is best.

2nd is a really weird spot, I'm sure we'd assume we have the nuts if he didn't abso bomb the flop. Is this his first ridic overbet? He probably is going to show up with a strong hand considering a mental player behind, but it still doesn't really make much sense on this texture to me. Like what can he actually wanna overbet here?
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 08:13:14 AM »

If He sees you as a bit aggro and wide then he can deffo be raising for value with worse here. Also he may just be air balling you as the 3 fills some bb calling range draws. also we still have outs if he is raising better than trips so got to call turn at least.

would be incred to river a queen.

Yep would be an easy game then . He can have 66 and other stuff here tho . I mean we can't be folding trips in a four handed game when we have button raised and standard Cbet with an aggro image.

why not?
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