Line Check

[Derbylad]

While playing late night 50/1 at DTD...
Stacks... Hero 270
villain... 130

Hero is dealt   in MP

£4 straddle is on...

Hero raises to 17

Folds all the way round
Villain (previous limper) Calls in UTG +1

Pot ( 39.50)

Flop....  

Villain Donk leads 10
Hero raises to 27

Villain shoves....

Hero's though process, 4-5th hand villain has played so very little hand analysis, KQs and KQo potentially in his calling range... 77, QQ.... more likely to re-raise pre with QQ though. Seeing as i had   in my hand it was harder to put him on a flush draw although   Xd could be in his shoving range along with  

Hero?

[Rivertony]

I think your flop raise isn't enough, when he donked 10 I would make it around the 35-38 mark and call off his shove! As played still call off on flop! You have him crushed so often, favourite v his draws whilst getting 2/1 on your money and your only behind to KQ and 77! More info on villain?

[Skippy]

What's with the pathetic raise on the flop?

Basically I've spent many hundreds of pounds researching that when fish 3 bet on the flop it's bad news, but I would raise bigger, call it off then insult his parentage when he's got kq. This may not be optimal, but it's what I'd do.

[Bully87]

I expect to see   alot.

I think villain donk leading is to try and see the next card on the cheap. Seeing as you have foiled villains plan with a raise then he/she is happy to get it in. Could be the nut fd of   or some other random FD, depends how you perceive villain.
You've obviously raised flop for value against Kx, Qx, dd, dont really see how you can fold now.

I dont fold, TPTK and backdoor diamonds is good enough for me. Ship it.

[Bully87]

What's with the pathetic raise on the flop?

Basically I've spent many hundreds of pounds researching that when fish 3 bet on the flop it's bad news, but I would raise bigger, call it off then insult his parentage when he's got kq. This may not be optimal, but it's what I'd do.

Villain donk lead...

[Derbylad]

What's with the pathetic raise on the flop?

Basically I've spent many hundreds of pounds researching that when fish 3 bet on the flop it's bad news, but I would raise bigger, call it off then insult his parentage when he's got kq. This may not be optimal, but it's what I'd do.

Well the norm is that a villains donk leads to see a cheap draw but seeing as the guys only played 4 hands and he's not a reg im still unsure of his playing style, 35 probably would of been a better amount.

[Skippy]

What's with the pathetic raise on the flop?

Basically I've spent many hundreds of pounds researching that when fish 3 bet on the flop it's bad news, but I would raise bigger, call it off then insult his parentage when he's got kq. This may not be optimal, but it's what I'd do.

Villain donk lead...

Wat?

Villain docks, we raise, he ships for the 3rd bet.

[zerofive]

If villain has only played 5 hands, is it possible we're not giving his hand enough credit when he limp calls then 3bomb ships the flop? Sounds way more like KQ or 77.

However if we're giving villain any credit as a player capable of thinking at all then we probably just have to close our eyes and call it off. Raise bigger on the flop of course.

[Bully87]

What's with the pathetic raise on the flop?

Basically I've spent many hundreds of pounds researching that when fish 3 bet on the flop it's bad news, but I would raise bigger, call it off then insult his parentage when he's got kq. This may not be optimal, but it's what I'd do.

Well the norm is that a villains donk leads to see a cheap draw but seeing as the guys only played 4 hands and he's not a reg im still unsure of his playing style, 35 probably would of been a better amount.

4 hands out of how many? :S

And your right Skippy, [fish] muddled between pre and post [/fish]

[Derbylad]

If villain has only played 5 hands, is it possible we're not giving his hand enough credit when he limp calls then 3bomb ships the flop? Sounds way more like KQ or 77.

However if we're giving villain any credit as a player capable of thinking at all then we probably just have to close our eyes and call it off. Raise bigger on the flop of course.

 This was my line and i folded. i thought it was far more likely he'd have been flush drawing if he'd have had the   which i knew he didn't so more likely to be KQ 77, and if he was flush drawing it'd be more likely to be with straight draw combos too e.g.   which i'm dominated post flop by.

[Derbylad]

4 hands out of how many? :S

As in this was the villains 4th-5th hand while being at the table

[pokerfan]

Flat flop.

[Derbylad]

Flop edit....  .

[Junior Senior]

Did he show?

[SuuPRlim]

folding once you've raised would be very bad. he doesnt have anywhere near enough stack to get you of this. Pay him and it's not close imo

+1 to flatting the flop, but raise/calling is ok as well. just don't raise fold.

and don't raise the flop without a plan for how we respond to his re-raise, when you make a raise only things can happen, 1)he folds, which we don't need to plan for we just need to stack dem chips, 2) he calls, which again we don't need to massive a plan for because we get to see another card and his next move before make our next action and 3) he raises, which really is the only scenario we need to plan for, so always try to plan how you will respond to a re-raise and factor that into your reasons for raising in the purpose, making a raise because you have TPTK and then being bewildered when he 3bets is not where we wanna be.