Diaries

[kinboshi]

Buried within your posts is a cogent alternative perspective. I think your perspective is quite logical and has a good deal of merit from a business point of view.

Very much this. What you say is pretty sensible, and well thought out.
Probs best not to go attacking people too early though (particularly not well respected posters like Tom / Tighty), as it deflects from the good points you are making.

FWIW I am also pretty indifferent, as I get much more out of the forum, than I put into it.
I can see though, how new visitors would feel more comfortable, if some changes were made, in line with your suggestions.

Well that's bloody obvious to everyone.

[ohdear]

that for the sake of his diary the forum has suffered growth and that he must see it and the only reason not to change it is the ego thing, it's dissapointing to me the diaries have killed other aspects of the forum

Complete rubbish. Can understand why you wouldn't want your PM re-posted, that's for sure

it's no at crusade or anything lol

the more and more though i can't get a single answer from 1 single person of the mod team as to why they shouldn't be move the weirder and weirder it gets

no you don't understand why i don't want my pm to tikay shared, it's not what you think, why can't tikay just come on and say "this is why the diaries wont be moved......." and yay everyones happy, tikay didn't do that though he wrote a whole post about my pm instead, lol you fellas are good at swerving the issue.

in my pm i said to tikay that i probably thought it was a loose arrangement that he had in his contract with sky to spam sky on his diary that has gotton X amount of views and posts, also i imagine it was discussed with dtd that it should be used as a tool to promote them, that's fair enough, combined with it having been going for 4 or 5 years and tikay probably being very proud that his diary is "the place to be" on blonde despite the fact the figures i saw which show new threads(as a result of the diaries) are down 50% from last year, which you can't deny are hurting the forums growth there's not a cats chance in hell for those personal reasons that tikay would let his diary be anywhere other than the top of the most popular board, despite how much you could demonstrate it's taking away discussion from the rest of the forum, impeding growth, deterring newbies and exasperating some existing members, to me that seems a little bit selfish.

there has been so many different reasons and arguments as to why they should be moved, if you actually came up with just one reason why they wont be, and why the discussion keeps getting ignored you'd probably shut me up but i can't help sitting here scratching my head wondering why in an 8 page thread a year ago and now a 15 page one here not one of you can put forward one single reasonable, logical argument as to why they shouldn't be moved, just makes me think more vehemently that i'm right about why they wont be moved.

i wasn't singling tikay out, i sent him the pm and those were the specifics of why i thought he didn't want his own diary moved, i think the other top, prominent diary owners have similar reasons and my argument is, and always will be against having all diarys in the general section because i think it can only be a bad thing, not just for all the reasons i've stated but also for the statistic i've posted which show the huge decline in new threads being started

look it's your playground do what you like, i'm sure you were already awre that maybe this was an issue, from my bb'ing forum there's a way they do it that works very well, impliment it, dont impliment it its up to you, i dont mean to have made this sound like one big long diatribe, ive probably got more and more frustrated as its gone on where maybe you guys think a wall of silence, brush it under the rug, ignore it attitude wil suffice and hopefully everyone will forget like they did last time, i don't really care anymore, if you have another year where new threads are down 50% again you might start to have words with the most prominent diarists about not being so selfish and starting to post on the open forum a bit more  

[ohdear]

In your OP you say you have been a reader of blonde for 2 years, just intrigued as to why you didn't join the debate of where the diaries should be placed a year ago? (mines in the lounge, i thought that was the appropriate place when I started it)

Have you thought of starting your own forum? Then you would be able to direct your members as to where to place their new threads.

i didn't see the thread a year ago

if i started my own forum and the diaries were stopping growth then yes i'd probably "direct" some people to actively post on the open forum a bit more for the benefit of the community and not just think about their diary, but they would already be in their own section so i don't think the situation you've got yourself into here would even arise,

it's funny you should post actually you wouldve loved it if tikay posted my pm, i spoke very highly of your diary(and geo's posts about the army) as examples of real interesting stuff here on the forum that's outside of poker

[Ironside]

I haven't seen figures and too lazy to go look for them as I am still in my pit, new threads might be down might not, thus time last year we would wake up to 20 new threads from the spam bots every day, new threads numbers will be hurt by that, but rest assured new post count is sky high, so high infact I.haven't time to read any diaries

[Marky147]

The thing is m8 you're referring to how it works so well at UKM and it does, the main difference between the two forums is SIZE, it's pretty much a case of square pegs and round holes.

The number of threads that are generated over there pre day in general conversation probably exceeds the number of threads created in a day on Blonde as a site. Some valuable pieces of information, discussions etc. undoubtedly do get missed out by some and that's unfortunate but it's hardly the end of the world.

I think that by moving the diaries to a 'journals/diaries' subsection you are going to solve nothing. I would merely expect things to continue as they did before and the subsequent sections which they inhabit at present will become quieter. I'd imagine as well as missing out on some things being posted in the main forums, you may also see some things noticed that wouldn't otherwise be by people who only generally come to look at diaries.

I don't doubt it's more the other way but I don't see that it's going to be hugely detrimental to the forum as a whole if things continue in the same vein as they have. The surefire way to alienate posters is to start telling them not to post things which may be of interest in their diaries and instead to make a point of posting new threads in the relevant sections.

As for saying that people don't post general stuff on journals over there I call...

Milky's and Flinty's journals which are 2 of the busiest over there have conversations on just about any subject you could think of throughout the course of a week. They don't get that long that fast if they're just talking about training splits, macros and ideas for a next cycle......

[ohdear]

The thing is m8 you're referring to how it works so well at UKM and it does, the main difference between the two forums is SIZE, it's pretty much a case of square pegs and round holes.

The number of threads that are generated over there pre day in general conversation probably exceeds the number of threads created in a day on Blonde as a site. Some valuable pieces of information, discussions etc. undoubtedly do get missed out by some and that's unfortunate but it's hardly the end of the world.

I think that by moving the diaries to a 'journals/diaries' subsection you are going to solve nothing. I would merely expect things to continue as they did before and the subsequent sections which they inhabit at present will become quieter. I'd imagine as well as missing out on some things being posted in the main forums, you may also see some things noticed that wouldn't otherwise be by people who only generally come to look at diaries.

I don't doubt it's more the other way but I don't see that it's going to be hugely detrimental to the forum as a whole if things continue in the same vein as they have. The surefire way to alienate posters is to start telling them not to post things which may be of interest in their diaries and instead to make a point of posting new threads in the relevant sections.

As for saying that people don't post general stuff on journals over there I call...

Milky's and Flinty's journals which are 2 of the busiest over there have conversations on just about any subject you could think of throughout the course of a week. They don't get that long that fast if they're just talking about training splits, macros and ideas for a next cycle......

i agree that the numbers are completely diferent, not sure if that's relevent though because i really do think as a rule the diaries should go in a subsection, once 6 or 7 arose years back it should've been created but so i think there is an example can be taken from ukm, although you make some good points.

on the last bit you say about milky and flinty, like all jounals people want to read how someone's getting on with their training predominently and people update about their life, sure that spills into conversation but does milky not usually start 1, if not 2 brand new threads in genral discussion every day and is flinty not one of the biggest posters on that section?

[Marky147]

i agree that the numbers are completely diferent, not sure if that's relevent though because i really do think as a rule the diaries should go in a subsection, once 6 or 7 arose years back it should've been created but so i think there is an example can be taken from ukm, although you make some good points.

on the last bit you say about milky and flinty, like all jounals people want to read how someone's getting on with their training predominently and people update about their life, sure that spills into conversation but does milky not usually start 1, if not 2 brand new threads in genral discussion every day and is flinty not one of the biggest posters on that section?

It is because over there if you have all the diaries in the same section they would fall into oblivion over the course of a few hours even. I'd guess and say there are 6figs of journals active over there, I've not updated mine for a week and it's probably on page 8 or something by now.

They have possibly mid 6 figures of sub sections over there and infinitely more areas of the forum too which in turn reinforces the requirement for a journal section. This is a much smaller forum with probably less members than there are that post regularly in gen con of an afternoon, what works for one isn't necessarily going to be a good for the other is my point.

My point about those guys and their journals is that you say it's disrespectful to post nonsense or random chat in there and I'm saying that it's not the case. Those journals along with many of the other more popular ones are so popular because of the varied content and discussion topics which arise daily. No different than the diaries here just on a smaller scale, they don't say to someone that posts something random which is nothing to do with lifting/aas/nutrition 'oi post that up in gen con it shouldn't be here'.

The journals thrive on this varied discussion topics and because there are so many members gen con doesn't notice that a few odd pieces slip through without all members seeing them. This happens here too but it's not going to see Blonde slip into obscurity, it just means some members who aren't active in the diaries may miss out. If some members want to be more proactive about it maybe they can post into the rail articles/topics which they feel may be good to bring to the attention of members of the forum that don't frequent the diaries.

I think on the whole comparing the setup over there to here is like comparing apples and pears, they're both fruits but completely different types as Blonde/UK-M while forums are very different too

[ohdear]

i agree that the numbers are completely diferent, not sure if that's relevent though because i really do think as a rule the diaries should go in a subsection, once 6 or 7 arose years back it should've been created but so i think there is an example can be taken from ukm, although you make some good points.

on the last bit you say about milky and flinty, like all jounals people want to read how someone's getting on with their training predominently and people update about their life, sure that spills into conversation but does milky not usually start 1, if not 2 brand new threads in genral discussion every day and is flinty not one of the biggest posters on that section?

It is because over there if you have all the diaries in the same section they would fall into oblivion over the course of a few hours even. I'd guess and say there are 6figs of journals active over there, I've not updated mine for a week and it's probably on page 8 or something by now.

They have possibly mid 6 figures of sub sections over there and infinitely more areas of the forum too which in turn reinforces the requirement for a journal section. This is a much smaller forum with probably less members than there are that post regularly in gen con of an afternoon, what works for one isn't necessarily going to be a good for the other is my point.

My point about those guys and their journals is that you say it's disrespectful to post nonsense or random chat in there and I'm saying that it's not the case. Those journals along with many of the other more popular ones are so popular because of the varied content and discussion topics which arise daily. No different than the diaries here just on a smaller scale, they don't say to someone that posts something random which is nothing to do with lifting/aas/nutrition 'oi post that up in gen con it shouldn't be here'.

The journals thrive on this varied discussion topics and because there are so many members gen con doesn't notice that a few odd pieces slip through without all members seeing them. This happens here too but it's not going to see Blonde slip into obscurity, it just means some members who aren't active in the diaries may miss out. If some members want to be more proactive about it maybe they can post into the rail articles/topics which they feel may be good to bring to the attention of members of the forum that don't frequent the diaries.

I think on the whole comparing the setup over there to here is like comparing apples and pears, they're both fruits but completely different types as Blonde/UK-M while forums are very different too

i have honestly seen on quite a few of the diaries ive read people tell someone to start a thread about it in general discussion to see what everyone else thinks, you never see that here, and i've also seen on ocassion people saying that they don't want to talk about specific stuff on their journals thats not relevent to training and pulling people up if they do.

maybe a better way to explain it is the example gatso gave of someone having a video about people not being able to walk in a straight line, instead of making a new thread about it in the lounge they went to tikays diary and said here evryone have a look at this, that would never happen on ukm, no one with a hillarious video etc would decide out of the blue to go and post it on a jounal, they'd start a thread about it in general discussion, that's the point i'm trying to make, forgetting about the numbers once you seperate the diaries you don't get caught up in this culture in the first place where nearly all of the sites general conversation is flowing through a few diaries.

i sort of disagree and think the model for ukm and why it's so big is a great example of how to get the diary aspect right, i think the way it is set up on ukm is the reason its so big, i think the way it's set up on here is the reason why new threads are dramatically down and growth is almost impossible as newbies are so badly marginalised when looking at the semingly impenitrable sea of diarys that comprise the rail (there's currently 10 in the top 20 threads on the rail which for a board which is your bread and butter is a joke)

[Junior Senior]

Why do you even care?!

Make posts shorter and more to the point too.

People can do what they want in their diaries and talk about what they want and let it flow. Personally though I do think a separate board for them would be good

[RED-DOG]

Gotcha

ffs i knew u reminded me of someone noel edmonds is in the building we have 2 threads called deal or no deal that might intrest you

Oh fcuk. This is actually more disturbing than you realise. I had no idea as I don't watch telly.

My Dad was a 70s DJ and used to get mistaken for Edmonds alot. I really hope I'm not morphing into him...

70's DJ's were where it was at man.  

[cambridgealex]

That conspiracy idea is just so ridiculous i actually can't believe you wrote it down.

[TightEnd]

That conspiracy idea is just so ridiculous i actually can't believe you wrote it down.

That's the version for public consumption, too.

[Laxie]

Is this thread really a PR campaign for a body building forum?  Because it's not helping blonde much imo.

[Acidmouse]

Why do you even care?!

Make posts shorter and more to the point too.

People can do what they want in their diaries and talk about what they want and let it flow. Personally though I do think a separate board for them would be good

update your blog pls or delete it from the sig k ta.

[scotty77]

This thread is incred.  What a life oh dear must lead.