chippy

[StuartHopkin]

Sausage in batter as a side, fish and chips.

i cant stand fish without beetroot and as i eat in the car its not really feasible the jar would be smashed before i got it intot he car
cant take the chippy into the house as placing a hot package on my lap while i am pushing on my wheels would lead to problems
with my skins

Do you have no storage space on your chair, hang it off somewhere! Couldnt think of anything worse than eating fish and chips in your car!
When I got in the next day the smell would drive me straight back for more!

[rex008]

ManualsMum, while I have so far appreciated your posts greatly, the acid/alkali thing seems like pure BS to me. That linked page reads like "nutritionist" bullshit. There appears to be no scientific/clinical data for that stuff, and it just looks like an excuse to promote vegetarianism and some fad diet. Given there is also a link to "All Natural Cancer Treatment" (sadly now 404) at the bottom, I have great scepticism, sorry.

The diet soda studies seem rather flawed as well. Correlation and causation mashup. I may as well state that global warming is caused by lack of pirates.



I drink lots of diet drinks. I'm fat. I'd take a lot of convincing there is causation rather than correlation.

So, Will being a pirate make me thinner?

I'm sure I could create a graph that shows that it would .

[Redsgirl]

Lol, Redsgirl minus weight of lower leg and eye Plus weight of parrot, cutlass and earring=

[Josedinho]

Are scallops the same as scones?

Scallops from the chip shop are just a slice from a huge cooked potato, battered and deep fried.
Granny style scallops are potatoes cut like thick crisps and shallow fried.
Well that how they are in our place anyway.

Thanks, a scone in Burnley is fish sandwiched between two slices of potato battered and deep fried. I think.

[Redsgirl]

Are scallops the same as scones?

Scallops from the chip shop are just a slice from a huge cooked potato, battered and deep fried.
Granny style scallops are potatoes cut like thick crisps and shallow fried.
Well that how they are in our place anyway.

Thanks, a scone in Burnley is fish sandwiched between two slices of potato battered and deep fried. I think.

Ooh, love those, known to me as fish patties.
Your post makes more sense to me now, wondered how you were making a chip shop/cream tea
connection.

[MintTrav]

OMG, We used to get the best puddings in Blackburn, thin light suet stuffed with meat that used to ooze out over your chips when you stuck your (wooden) fork in it.

I don't feel very well after reading that.

Were there really only 17 pirates in 2000??? There are definitely a lot more now.

[ManuelsMum]

ManualsMum, while I have so far appreciated your posts greatly, the acid/alkali thing seems like pure BS to me. That linked page reads like "nutritionist" bullshit. There appears to be no scientific/clinical data for that stuff, and it just looks like an excuse to promote vegetarianism and some fad diet. Given there is also a link to "All Natural Cancer Treatment" (sadly now 404) at the bottom, I have great scepticism, sorry.

I do not base my statements and beliefs on reports from myriad 'health' websites, even though I may use these to link to the story. This is a poker site not a research centre, so I try to avoid posting pdfs all over the place. Best not to judge it based on how one of the link pages looks (so much BS all over the internet), but to examine the evidence out there from the sources. It's a credit to you that you raise an eyebrow or two to website reports like these. I'm not in the habit of posting unsubstantiated bullshit however.

The diet soda studies seem rather flawed as well. Correlation and causation mashup. I may as well state that global warming is caused by lack of pirates.

No/not really.

You're right to point out the oversimplification by most journalists covering this research, where they say 'Study finds that drinking diet cokes makes you fat.' However, to compare it to the schoolboy causation-correlation conflation error could give someone reading that comment a view more distorted than the web-journalists ever did.

Good study to which your example might apply:
I perform a study, where I go out and grab 100 people, half of whom are obese, half of whom are ideal BMI. I quiz thoroughly on drinking habits, and I find WOOO!, the fatties drink more diet coke. Therefore diet coke makes you fat.
Fail. Diet coke might make you fat. But it could well be, that fatties are aware they're fat, and are just trying to lose weight by drinking diet coke, much more than regular-sized people.

The research to which those articles refer, are both studies. They are not 'experiments', which can more powerfully demonstrate causation. Neither are they cross-sectional studies. They are longitudinal studies, with fairly large, broad-spectrum cohorts, that measure a large number of variables, including diet, exercise, calorie intake (to some extent), and others. What the main study basically found was that those who drank diet drinks put on more weight, even when other factors were taken into account. The more diet drinks they had, the more weight they put on (proportionately), over about 10 years. This effect was even more pronounced among those who were dieting. The researchers were the first to point out that it was a correlation study, and that there are alternative hypotheses. However, when you bear in mind the other variables that they controlled for, the emergence of a significant, positive, dose-response relationship between Artificial sweetener consumption and all of their 3 measures of weight gain and consider the other research on Artificial sweeteners and the relationship between Acid-forming foods and obesity, it would be very reasonable to conclude that the most likely explanation is that drinking diet sodas is causing weight gain and obesity.


http://www.wnho.net/artificially_sweetened_beverages.pdf
These people aren't idiots (even though those that report their stories may be). They're aware of drawing inferences between rising temperature levels and numbers of pirates. They know that rising ice-cream consumption isn't the cause of murders in New York (even though the levels of both correlate beautifully).

the acid/alkali thing seems like pure BS to me. That linked page reads like "nutritionist" bullshit. There appears to be no scientific/clinical data for that stuff....

Meaning you looked for some and found none? There's plenty of research on it. The links between
1) acidosis
/
 2) the body's attempts at maintaining a stable acidity level in the face of too many acid-forming foods (like those diet-cokes you're knocking back)

and
obesity are quite well documented.

Good place to start: http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/22755010/1681464815/name/Acid-base%2Bbalance%2Band%2Bweight%2Bgain%2B-%2BBerkmeyer%2B%2B2008%2BReview%2Barticle.pdf

(Like most biological processes, is pretty complex and multilayered; this is what makes me link to popular science videos like the one below instead of articles like the one above, until I'm told what I posted is bullshit )

[rex008]

Great response. However, I'm a chemical engineer. No 1 rule: In - Out = Accumulation. Unless you're breaking the laws of physics, the ONLY thing that can make you put on weight is consuming more calories or expending less. In my tiny little mind, it is absolutely impossible for someone to switch from full-sugar drinks to no-sugar drinks and increase in weight. If drinking diet drinks makes you hungry then fine, I can accept that, but then if that's the only argument I would have said that's a bit of a no-brainer anyway. Consume less, get hungry. If fat bastards like me didn't eat when we were hungry we wouldn't get fat. It would still take a lot of convincing for me to switch back to full fat drinks on the grounds that they were overall healthier. Not saying it couldn't happen; I hope I've got a reasonably open mind, but would take a lot of evidence to overwhelm my personal incredulity.

Saying that, I'll actually look at the links you posted when I get some time .

The research to which those articles refer, are both studies. They are not 'experiments', which can more powerfully demonstrate causation. Neither are they cross-sectional studies. They are longitudinal studies, with fairly large, broad-spectrum cohorts, that measure a large number of variables, including diet, exercise, calorie intake (to some extent), and others. What the main study basically found was that those who drank diet drinks put on more weight, even when other factors were taken into account.

This is the crucial bit, isn't it. A good study can demonstrate causation if it's absolutely eliminated other factors.

I drink diet Sainsbury's Dandelion & Burdock. Lovely it is. Don't do it at all in full-sugar, so I'm destined to remain a fat bastard.

[ManuelsMum]

Great response. However, I'm a chemical engineer. No 1 rule: In - Out = Accumulation. Unless you're breaking the laws of physics, the ONLY thing that can make you put on weight is consuming more calories or expending less. In my tiny little mind, it is absolutely impossible for someone to switch from full-sugar drinks to no-sugar drinks and increase in weight. If drinking diet drinks makes you hungry then fine, I can accept that, but then if that's the only argument I would have said that's a bit of a no-brainer anyway. Consume less, get hungry. If fat bastards like me didn't eat when we were hungry we wouldn't get fat. It would still take a lot of convincing for me to switch back to full fat drinks on the grounds that they were overall healthier. Not saying it couldn't happen; I hope I've got a reasonably open mind, but would take a lot of evidence to overwhelm my personal incredulity.

Saying that, I'll actually look at the links you posted when I get some time .

The research to which those articles refer, are both studies. They are not 'experiments', which can more powerfully demonstrate causation. Neither are they cross-sectional studies. They are longitudinal studies, with fairly large, broad-spectrum cohorts, that measure a large number of variables, including diet, exercise, calorie intake (to some extent), and others. What the main study basically found was that those who drank diet drinks put on more weight, even when other factors were taken into account.

This is the crucial bit, isn't it. A good study can demonstrate causation if it's absolutely eliminated other factors.

I drink diet Sainsbury's Dandelion & Burdock. Lovely it is. Don't do it at all in full-sugar, so I'm destined to remain a fat bastard.

Thanks Rex, I'll have a reread over some stuff too and we can tackle that IN-OUT thing.
I was on diet-drinks for ages, on exactly the same principle, plus I found them quite 'filling'. My diet was rice-disks plus creme-fraiche plus something to make that not taste bland (olives/peppers/tabasco) plus 2 glasses of diet coke. Worked poorly, results maybe confounded by simultaneous 'Miracle Beer Diet'
Incredulity is a great approach to any kind of diet-based claims I think. Many seem to hop from Atkins to cabbage-soup to the next one without questioning.

[kinboshi]

I love Rubicon's passion fruit-flavoured fizzy drink.



I think it's the fact that it's got more than 40g of sugar in each can.  Lovely.

[TRIP5]

Are scallops the same as scones?

Scallops from the chip shop are just a slice from a huge cooked potato, battered and deep fried.
Granny style scallops are potatoes cut like thick crisps and shallow fried.
Well that how they are in our place anyway.

Thanks, a scone in Burnley is fish sandwiched between two slices of potato battered and deep fried. I think.

That's a cake!!! Any Northerner worth their salt knows that

xx

[Girgy85]

Are scallops the same as scones?

Scallops from the chip shop are just a slice from a huge cooked potato, battered and deep fried.
Granny style scallops are potatoes cut like thick crisps and shallow fried.
Well that how they are in our place anyway.

Thanks, a scone in Burnley is fish sandwiched between two slices of potato battered and deep fried. I think.

That's a cake!!! Any Northerner worth their salt knows that

xx

Yea its a fishcake xx

[rex008]

Great response. However, I'm a chemical engineer. No 1 rule: In - Out = Accumulation.

Thanks Rex, I'll have a reread over some stuff too and we can tackle that IN-OUT thing.

In = Food, drink and Oxygen
Out = Poo, Piss and Carbon Dioxide (ok, a few nano-grams of mass get converted to energy, if you really want to be pedantic)
Accumulation = my fat belly

What's to tackle? Don't come all biology namby-pamby with the laws of physics man!

[kinboshi]

Great response. However, I'm a chemical engineer. No 1 rule: In - Out = Accumulation.

Thanks Rex, I'll have a reread over some stuff too and we can tackle that IN-OUT thing.

In = Food, drink and Oxygen
Out = Poo, Piss and Carbon Dioxide (ok, a few nano-grams of mass get converted to energy, if you really want to be pedantic)
Accumulation = my fat belly

What's to tackle? Don't come all biology namby-pamby with the laws of physics man!

I love the internets. 

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/2605/how-does-mass-leave-the-body-when-you-lose-weight

[Redsgirl]

Are scallops the same as scones?

Scallops from the chip shop are just a slice from a huge cooked potato, battered and deep fried.
Granny style scallops are potatoes cut like thick crisps and shallow fried.
Well that how they are in our place anyway.

Thanks, a scone in Burnley is fish sandwiched between two slices of potato battered and deep fried. I think.

That's a cake!!! Any Northerner worth their salt knows that

xx

Yea its a fishcake xx

Ahem, I think you'll find that fishcakes are the small round ones with the mashed up fish-potato-
green bits, covered in orange breadcrumbs.