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[david3103]

Was that pattie n chips wrapped in foil?

Shocking behaviour if so.

[ManuelsMum]

Manuel's Old Dear, I'm also pretty certain that the picture is further clouded by the way different people deal with different foods and their bodies metabolise fats, carbs, proteins differently.

This also, good point, yes.

I also think you'd have to drink a LOT of anything like diet coke for it to have a dramatic effect on your body and your weight.

I would have thought so also, but apparently it ain't so.

In the study I cited http://www.wnho.net/artificially_sweetened_beverages.pdf
there was already a dramatic increase in weight gain/circumference gain in someone drinking 2 ASBs (artificially sweetened beverages) per day compared to someone drinking none. 2 per day pretty standard among those that are into such things.

2 x ASBs per day over several years = 2 x the weight gain and 2 x the circumference gain compared to a non-ASB consumer

5 x ASBs per day over several years = 5 x the weight gain and 5 x the circumference gain compared to a non-ASB consumer

(both correlations, but probably also causations)

Just 2? WTF man?

Well I'm thinking probably:

1) Artificial Sweeteners are really sweet, much sweeter than sugar. The sweet taste of them has been suggested as having a role in people putting on more weight than controls, possibly due to disruption in reward pathways etc (brain expects incoming calories/sugars from taste on tongue, gets none. They cited analogue studies on rats on Aspartamine)

2) Acid-formation.
Most people are already in a fairly over-acidic state (compared to the blood pH ideal), I think. Diet sodas are right up there near the worst acid-forming consumables. 2 of these a day are going to cause fairly high net system-acidity, with the subsequent body-compensation attempts, and with the subsequent metabolism disruption that the latter causes.

http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/22755010/1681464815/name/Acid-base%2Bbalance%2Band%2Bweight%2Bgain%2B-%2BBerkmeyer%2B%2B2008%2BReview%2Barticle.pdf

To answer Redgirl's question, I don't think there's too much to fear in having too many alkalines in your diet. The normal balance I heard cited is 80/20 alkaline-forming to acid-forming foods recommended. Most people are over-acid anyway, shifting to more alkaline going to just bring an equilibrium for the majority. I'm open to correction on that, it's what I saw on skimming.

[MintTrav]

It is heartbreaking to see what Northerners have to eat. Is there no real food up there? I wish there was something we could do for those poor people.

[kinboshi]

It is heartbreaking to see what Northerners have to eat. Is there no real food up there? I wish there was something we could do for those poor people.

You can help by staying on the South coast, well out of the way.

[kinboshi]

M&M, I'll read those pdfs when I'm not on my phone, but it's going to take quite a few significant peer-reviewed studies to convince me of the 'danger' of the such a small consumption of artificially sweetened drinks being so extreme.

[Redsgirl]

Now, people, I didn't want to have to go here, but I really don't feel I'm getting my propers.
I am the official forum sage! I demand some respect!
I am prepared to accept the regional variations Cake/Pattie/Scone.

I am not prepared to be told the North East is Scottish. The Scottish wouldn't like it either.

Mushrooms are a perfectly acceptable addition to gravy, they don't really affect the taste, and
can quite easily be picked out if you aren't over fond.

And yes david3103, I too was a little disturbed by the foil wrapped meal, and was hoping nobody
else would notice. sigh.

I thank you.
Thrice.

[RED-DOG]

I love mushrooms, but I don't want them in my gravy uninvited tyvm.

[sovietsong]

I love mushrooms, but I don't want them in my gravy uninvited tyvm.

Have you tried it? My mother puts mushrooms in the gravy sometimes and it's incred, I was a doubter until I tried it.

[RED-DOG]

I love mushrooms, but I don't want them in my gravy uninvited tyvm.

Have you tried it? My mother puts mushrooms in the gravy sometimes and it's incred, I was a doubter until I tried it.

Yes I've tried it, and I like it. Sometimes.

[ManuelsMum]

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[Marky147]

Brilliant 

[SlikVik]

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[paulhouk03]

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[tikay]

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[paulhouk03]

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