Line check

[MC]

Vs a random

Are we supposed to play this any differently?

PokerStars Hand #77881953597: Tournament #566010182, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2012/03/27 10:15:52 WET [2012/03/27 5:15:52 ET]
Table '566010182 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: learn_fold (6240 in chips)
Seat 2: Luj0_1989 (16084 in chips)
Seat 3: epitomised (11835 in chips)
Seat 4: olligol123 (4058 in chips)
Seat 5: crusader1532 (2161 in chips)
Seat 6: doppiavu (17334 in chips)
Seat 7: FredBelgium (2345 in chips)
Seat 8: uczniak (6889 in chips)
Seat 9: TheViking66 (8688 in chips)
learn_fold: posts the ante 70
Luj0_1989: posts the ante 70
epitomised: posts the ante 70
olligol123: posts the ante 70
crusader1532: posts the ante 70
doppiavu: posts the ante 70
FredBelgium: posts the ante 70
uczniak: posts the ante 70
TheViking66: posts the ante 70
crusader1532: posts small blind 300
doppiavu: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to epitomised [ As]
FredBelgium: folds
uczniak: folds
TheViking66: folds
learn_fold: folds
Luj0_1989: folds
epitomised: raises 660 to 1260
olligol123 has timed out
olligol123: folds
olligol123 is sitting out
crusader1532: folds
olligol123 has returned
doppiavu: calls 660
*** FLOP *** [ ]
doppiavu: checks
epitomised: bets 1500
doppiavu: calls 1500
*** TURN *** [ ] []
doppiavu: bets 1800
epitomised: calls 1800
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
doppiavu: bets 3600
epitomised: calls 3600

[outragous76]

Looks good to me

[pleno1]

bigger ott

[SuuPRlim]

bigger ott

he donks the turn (our oppo that is)

[rfgqqabc]

I feel like we're 90% winning on the river but i see no reason to raise, so i guess this is the right line.

[pleno1]

raise turn

[Longy]

This is the exact line I would take, whether that is right is another question!

[SuuPRlim]

This is the exact line I would take, whether that is right is another question!

back to the drawing board Mr. Atkin ^^^

[rfgqqabc]

raise turn

-Folds out worse
+Gets value from draws that will call
- Doesn't let Opp bluff
? We fold to a shove?
+ Can win the pot now

I think its very close, but call/call is lower variance and better when we cannot assign an accurate range vs a random, we sort of have to guess if he ever has 2p+/AThh etc.

[outragous76]

raise turn

-Folds out worse
+Gets value from draws that will call
- Doesn't let Opp bluff
? We fold to a shove?
+ Can win the pot now

I think its very close, but call/call is lower variance and better when we cannot assign an accurate range vs a random, we sort of have to guess if he ever has 2p+/AThh etc.

Not raising turn as he is 100% bluffing all missed draws on river, so we get our value there

[ChipRich]

Looks good to me

[pleno1]

raise turn

-Folds out worse
+Gets value from draws that will call
- Doesn't let Opp bluff
? We fold to a shove?
+ Can win the pot now

I think its very close, but call/call is lower variance and better when we cannot assign an accurate range vs a random, we sort of have to guess if he ever has 2p+/AThh etc.

Not raising turn as he is 100% bluffing all missed draws on river, so we get our value there

y is he 100% bluffing on the river?

[outragous76]

raise turn

-Folds out worse
+Gets value from draws that will call
- Doesn't let Opp bluff
? We fold to a shove?
+ Can win the pot now

I think its very close, but call/call is lower variance and better when we cannot assign an accurate range vs a random, we sort of have to guess if he ever has 2p+/AThh etc.

Not raising turn as he is 100% bluffing all missed draws on river, so we get our value there

y is he 100% bluffing on the river?

THink we need to clarify that

We look quite weak - raise cbet, check

He will bluff missed draws as its his only way to win

he might however have us beat which is why i prefer ck call,  ck call

[Honeybadger]

We look quite weak - raise cbet, check

He will bluff missed draws as its his only way to win

he might however have us beat which is why i prefer ck call,  ck call

You need to re-read the hand history.

Sorry to be a bitch, but there is so much sloppy thinking in this thread.

Raise the turn.

[pleno1]

raise turn

-Folds out worse
+Gets value from draws that will call
- Doesn't let Opp bluff
? We fold to a shove?
+ Can win the pot now

I think its very close, but call/call is lower variance and better when we cannot assign an accurate range vs a random, we sort of have to guess if he ever has 2p+/AThh etc.

Not raising turn as he is 100% bluffing all missed draws on river, so we get our value there

y is he 100% bluffing on the river?

THink we need to clarify that

We look quite weak - raise cbet, check

He will bluff missed draws as its his only way to win

he might however have us beat which is why i prefer ck call,  ck call

we dont do any checking, he is probably  fish, he will call with worse hands when we raise = valuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu