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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 01:33:40 PM » |
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if you know for a fact he's not going to make a bad call then, jam ATC ainec.
It depends on what Eso meant by getting it right 90% of the time. If it's that the guy's a good satellite player and won't make any mistakes then yes it's a shove atc. If it's that the guy knows what you're shoving with and will call with better then it's very different.On reflection I think it is more of this and therefore we should only be jamming the top end of our range then? |
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2012, 02:09:41 PM » |
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if you know for a fact he's not going to make a bad call then, jam ATC ainec.
It depends on what Eso meant by getting it right 90% of the time. If it's that the guy's a good satellite player and won't make any mistakes then yes it's a shove atc. If it's that the guy knows what you're shoving with and will call with better then it's very different.On reflection I think it is more of this and therefore we should only be jamming the top end of our range then? if its that rich your friend is a fish. Still jamming what i would in this spot in an mtt then Ax+ Kx+ most Q's anything suited etc. |
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2012, 02:11:39 PM » |
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if you know for a fact he's not going to make a bad call then, jam ATC ainec.
It depends on what Eso meant by getting it right 90% of the time. If it's that the guy's a good satellite player and won't make any mistakes then yes it's a shove atc. If it's that the guy knows what you're shoving with and will call with better then it's very different.On reflection I think it is more of this and therefore we should only be jamming the top end of our range then? if its that rich your friend is a fish. Still jamming what i would in this spot in an mtt then Ax+ Kx+ most Q's anything suited etc. I jammed Q7o |
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2012, 02:21:03 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2012, 02:29:27 PM » |
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Any 2 if he knows his satellite ICM shizzle. Would begin to fold out maybe the bottom 5-10% if you think he's gunna make some sort of lol call with AJs
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 03:39:31 PM » |
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I think the Villan understands ICM to mean ice-cream van IMO  |
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 03:54:20 PM » |
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Yeah I am atc against anyone with a clue. Start chopping off the bottom of your range the more incomptent villain is. Think I would shove q7o against anyone who hasn't proved to be an utter headcase.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 03:57:29 PM » |
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ATC is profitable with ICM, and Q7o is the nuts, has an overcard to JJ  which is probably (well should be) the bottom of his calling range i would guess? |
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2012, 03:58:32 PM » |
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ATC is profitable with ICM, and Q7o is the nuts, has an overcard to JJ which is probably (well should be) the bottom of his calling range i would guess? The bottom of his calling range was way lower than JJ |
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2012, 03:59:48 PM » |
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ATC is profitable with ICM, and Q7o is the nuts, has an overcard to JJ which is probably (well should be) the bottom of his calling range i would guess? The bottom of his calling range was way lower than JJ It definitely shouldnt be much lower. ICM > ranges |
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2012, 04:10:53 PM » |
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The bottom of his calling range was way lower than JJ Then you need to re-evaluate this I would say his calling range will be 90%+ correct as he is a decent winner on this site.
Still definitely shoving Q7o vs anyone though |
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2012, 04:11:59 PM » |
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What's it a satellite for? If it's a low buy in I think you can factor in the mate's spite call factor as well.
He probably knows that even if he's ahead he should fold but thinks he'll call with K2 because he knows you're shoving very wide and any king is enormous.
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2012, 04:14:05 PM » |
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I would say his calling range will be 90%+ correct as he is a decent winner on this site.
Assuming it's DTD this argument won't stand up in court. |
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2012, 04:15:24 PM » |
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The bottom of his calling range was way lower than JJ Then you need to re-evaluate this I would say his calling range will be 90%+ correct as he is a decent winner on this site.
Still definitely shoving Q7o vs anyone though Maybe gave him too much credit for correct calling range in a satty. |
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2012, 04:18:22 PM » |
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What's it a satellite for? If it's a low buy in I think you can factor in the mate's spite call factor as well.
He probably knows that even if he's ahead he should fold but thinks he'll call with K2 because he knows you're shoving very wide and any king is enormous.
£150 DTD tourney ^^ is probs his thinking |
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