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« on: April 16, 2012, 06:15:48 PM »

PokerStars Hand #78965222482: Tournament #546368107, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2012/04/16 18:14:01 WET [2012/04/16 13:14:01 ET]
Table '546368107 211' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: PABuzz (2690 in chips)
Seat 2: Tejedoors (1420 in chips)
Seat 3: frizyke (2730 in chips)
Seat 4: Vlasov Al (3630 in chips)
Seat 5: gourgoulas (8095 in chips)
Seat 6: wjohnkenn (1592 in chips)
Seat 7: flowfivefour (6270 in chips)
Seat 8: HullGin (7147 in chips)
Seat 9: APPW (2640 in chips)
PABuzz: posts the ante 15
Tejedoors: posts the ante 15
frizyke: posts the ante 15
Vlasov Al: posts the ante 15
gourgoulas: posts the ante 15
wjohnkenn: posts the ante 15
flowfivefour: posts the ante 15
HullGin: posts the ante 15
APPW: posts the ante 15
PABuzz: posts small blind 60
Tejedoors: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to APPW [ ]
frizyke: folds
Vlasov Al: folds
gourgoulas: folds
wjohnkenn: folds
flowfivefour: folds
HullGin: folds
APPW: raises 120 to 240
PABuzz: folds
Tejedoors: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [As ]
Tejedoors: checks
APPW: checks
*** TURN *** [As ] []
Tejedoors: checks
APPW: checks
*** RIVER *** [As ] [two hearts]
Tejedoors: bets 360
APPW: raises 976 to 1336
Tejedoors: folds
Uncalled bet (976) returned to APPW
APPW collected 1395 from pot
APPW: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1395 | Rake 0
Board [As two hearts]
Seat 1: PABuzz (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Tejedoors (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: frizyke folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Vlasov Al folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: gourgoulas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wjohnkenn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: flowfivefour folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: HullGin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: APPW (button) collected (1395)
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 08:27:08 PM »

Dude it is very possible that by checking twice you won the maximum you possibly could against the specific hand that villain happened to have this particular time. But your line is still really bad (sorry but it is). Why would you ever want no money at all to go into this pot before the river?

Can you get more? Well start by betting at some stage before the river! The flop for example.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 08:34:48 PM »

LOL I know, I Know - sometimes when I hit a flop and think that his range (everything that does not contain A X) I have to get super passive to let him get some money in for me first and then the turn card is probably v bad for me as he is just going to insta fold - one for more of a player read this one (Agressive, Tight etc) - no reads of course
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 08:35:31 PM »

Great name BTW - after the Animal or the LSU DB?
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 09:37:09 PM »

just start by betting the flop
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 04:49:36 PM »

on stars in a 10 dollar tourney youre going to have fish galore.

to min button raise obv could be any range.

always bet the flop. 

at least bet the turn. a fish would probably float the turn with k high once the board pairs. its rainbow.

he'll also float straight draws and gutshots if he thinks you have air too.

my thinking is that many aces may have 3 bet pre.... but you want to build a pot. bet the flop as if he calls you can value him in by the river playing a shorter stack.

he willing to call another 10% of his stack pre, whatever he called with he would probably check jam??
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 12:02:11 PM »

Great name BTW - after the Animal or the LSU DB?

it's the animal Cheesy

I think people have a bit of a stress when they have really good hands about being as trappy as possible, whereas the strategy has some merit (letting your man hit some sort of hand etc) you will never go wrong just BETTING when you have a good hand without a really really good reason to otherwise, your only reason here I think is that you don't want him to fold which isn't quite good enough for me.

Also, once he bets the river and you raise he NEVER CALLS because your hand throughout has looked like it has showdown value, so unusual for you to bluff with it when it was strong enough to chk the turn with but now it's too weak to call? If you had air you'd bet the flop as it's ACE high and nice to c-bet IP with the betting lead. So the maximum you'll get taking this line is 1 street, you could bet flop and turn and he might very feasibly look you up with 1pair (smaller than and ACE, or maybe 78 or something) so I think this line actually restricts the potential for value more than anything else.

Not to mention you have a full house and there is the same money in on the turn as there was pre-flop! norrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 04:15:27 PM »

bet/bet/shove.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2012, 03:01:40 PM »

Firstly you may have got the max this time but it prob was not the correct play. Betting the turn then a slightly larger river bet at least to build a pot when you have a good hand is necessary to counter more marginal situations.
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