River disaster spot

[zerofive]

this one is from a while back, just didn't post it.

£1/2 game at dusk, £400 cap

Never played with villain before, not seen a showdown, but have seen him barrel and win a few and barrel and lose a few. Not ridic aggro, but certainly isnt afraid to put in the third barrel. He probably thinks I'm a nit because I basically got aces in pre and haven't played another hand. I'm playing £580 or so and he covers.

Pre

Two limpers to me in the hijack, I make it £13 with . Villain 3b to £30 otb. Folded round, I call.

Flop (£67)

I check call £35

Turn (£137)

I check, he bets £75. I raise to £180. I felt like he knew I knew he was capable of barreling so I threw in a raise here because I thought he might check behind some rivers with SD and might level himself into calling light/jamming as a bluff if I raise here, because he knows I know he's going to barrel river, so why would I raise here with a value hand?

River (£497)

We've got about £340 left. What do we do?

[Pugwashed]

I guess you can just check/fold, seems like he can have a K a lot here and even if he doesn't it seems like he'd need to capable of floating your turn check/raise or turning every showdown value that's worse than Kx into a bluff both of which seem unlikely and even if that's the case he's still gonna have a K a bunch of the time anyway. It sucks but I think you have check/fold

[SuuPRlim]

jam or chk/fold imo

no idea which is better.

[Junior Senior]

Puke.

[muckthenuts]

Sigh c/f. He def has more k's than 9's and don't think live players will turn things into a bluff too often.

[FrenchieBeni]

Jam 9's. c/f all the other hands

[SuuPRlim]

Jam 9's. c/f all the other hands

letting  go as well are you?

Seems a touch on the tight side

[LeeMcshane]

c/f to many kings in his range here. I personally would of made it more of a bigger check raise on the turn though. pot was £203  and you made it £105 to call just a little more then half pot.

Personally i like to make my hand look like a bluff and use my image here especially when the 9 hits pretending it has helped us, if he knows you capable of repping any scare card without it I think you can and would get more value on the turn. i will write down evrything proper when i wake up though as im to tired and cant think. lol

[SuuPRlim]

Everyone saying he has loads of kings in his range. The only legitimate King he has is AKo or potentially KQs (for sure he could have 3bet a suited King) but as far as value hands go if he isn't getting out of line pre-flop all the much I think he has more pairs than kings.

Jamming certainly a legit option imo (not saying it's better than c/f, just that it is certainly viable). The other good reason for jamming is he thinks he wont jam JJ 100% (which is true) and we'd jam 9* even less and wouldn't c/r a naked K* on the turn so we're pretty much polarised to K9/maybe JJ and there are loads of semi-bluffs on the turn for us. So I can see a lot of people in live play getting the hero on with AA/QQ here.

Chk/calling is the only no-no here.

[FrenchieBeni]

Jam 9's. c/f all the other hands

letting  go as well are you?

Seems a touch on the tight side

Quads are not as good as you think

Srsy i think we have kings < 30% of the time in this spot. and we're prolly c/r'ing the turn very rarely as well.

Jamming certainly a legit option imo (not saying it's better than c/f, just that it is certainly viable). The other good reason for jamming is he thinks he wont jam JJ 100% (which is true) and we'd jam 9* even less and wouldn't c/r a naked K* on the turn so we're pretty much polarised to K9/maybe JJ and there are loads of semi-bluffs on the turn for us. So I can see a lot of people in live play getting the hero on with AA/QQ here.

Chk/calling is the only no-no here.

Some sickos have a wider betting range when checked to than a calling range in this spot; w/ exactly the hands you mentionned - AA/QQ/Jxdd.
Turning 9x into a bluff for villain would be abs wow.

Im wondering if we even have a single hand we call after we check.
Still c/f'ing although its really close with jamming agree.

[SuuPRlim]

haha yh pretty incred hand, Toby Lewis ladies and gentlemen!

Yh you're right, it does seem like it's going to be a spot where 100% of our range that checks, then folds to a bet, which obviously is very difficult for us to tackle from a strategic point of view as we give our villain the easiest bluff with every hand 9* and below (AA-QQ) as we are folding JJ/9* and everything else that isn't K*. Obviously the best way to deal with this problem is to not worry about it, as its a pretty vacuum specific spot so getting there, being confused and then not worrying too much about the decision we make is always going to be the best option!

[Whollyflush]

Seems an easy fold OTR. Not a fan of the flop, i think c/r or leading are better.

[Rupert]

Check/call turn as played.  Flop is whatever I think c/c is fine.  I think jamming this river is horrendous.